R56 Mini isnt supporting us with remanufactured automatic Aisin Warner transmissions
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Mini isnt supporting us with remanufactured automatic Aisin Warner transmissions
I swapped out the Aisn Warner automatic transmission (GA6F21WA I believe is the part #) in my 2008 S with 155k miles on it and I would have preferred to buy a remanufacured trans but Mini isnt supporting the aftermarket. Neither the Mini dealer in Alexanria VA, nor a transmission shop in my area that does lots of Minis nor a BMW/Mini Specialist shop could find anyone that carried remanufactured transmissions.
The only options were used with 6-12 month warranties for $600-1000 for the part (think LKQ or Bavarian Motor Exchange and roll the dice) or paying a shop $4500 to rebuild mine with only a 1 year warranty (!!!) or a new one from Mini for $10,000 plus labor (Warranty?)
Its really sad that Mini and Aisin Warner arent supporting us owners with remanufactured transmissions with a decent warranty. These transmissions are used in more than just Minis. We deserve better.
The only options were used with 6-12 month warranties for $600-1000 for the part (think LKQ or Bavarian Motor Exchange and roll the dice) or paying a shop $4500 to rebuild mine with only a 1 year warranty (!!!) or a new one from Mini for $10,000 plus labor (Warranty?)
Its really sad that Mini and Aisin Warner arent supporting us owners with remanufactured transmissions with a decent warranty. These transmissions are used in more than just Minis. We deserve better.
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https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...24007609181kt/ did you see this?
I will check with my people at Aisin and get back to you.
I will check with my people at Aisin and get back to you.
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#3
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...24007609181kt/ did you see this?
I will check with my people at Aisin and get back to you.
I will check with my people at Aisin and get back to you.
Add another $400 for shipping the new and core. Plus at least $1000 for installation if you cant do it on your own. Plus tax.
Its $8000-9000 when all is said and done. No R56 Mini is worth that at the stage the cars need a new transmission, so they end up at the metal scrapper.
#4
I am going to check with my guys and see if there is anything out there aftermarket. We had the best connections and I will try to help.
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#5
Factory Reman?
I’m curious how a factory reman trans would solve the dilemma.
You are correct that a typical 150,000+ Mile MINI is not likely worth a 7~9000 trans.
But if a local rebuild is 4500, then a factory reman would likely cost 6000. In no case would it be less than the local rebuilder. So I really doesn’t solve the issue except for the likely better warranty.
i have an R56 with the Aisin and 172000 miles a fervent hope that the trans doesn’t die, because there’s no way the car can merit a six-grand repair. It will get a junkyard takeout. You really have to consider that this same dilemma applies to *most* cars out there, especially the lower price-class cars like our MINIs. It’s just a fact of economics.
You are correct that a typical 150,000+ Mile MINI is not likely worth a 7~9000 trans.
But if a local rebuild is 4500, then a factory reman would likely cost 6000. In no case would it be less than the local rebuilder. So I really doesn’t solve the issue except for the likely better warranty.
i have an R56 with the Aisin and 172000 miles a fervent hope that the trans doesn’t die, because there’s no way the car can merit a six-grand repair. It will get a junkyard takeout. You really have to consider that this same dilemma applies to *most* cars out there, especially the lower price-class cars like our MINIs. It’s just a fact of economics.
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I’m curious how a factory reman trans would solve the dilemma.
You are correct that a typical 150,000+ Mile MINI is not likely worth a 7~9000 trans.
But if a local rebuild is 4500, then a factory reman would likely cost 6000. In no case would it be less than the local rebuilder. So I really doesn’t solve the issue except for the likely better warranty.
i have an R56 with the Aisin and 172000 miles a fervent hope that the trans doesn’t die, because there’s no way the car can merit a six-grand repair. It will get a junkyard takeout. You really have to consider that this same dilemma applies to *most* cars out there, especially the lower price-class cars like our MINIs. It’s just a fact of economics.
You are correct that a typical 150,000+ Mile MINI is not likely worth a 7~9000 trans.
But if a local rebuild is 4500, then a factory reman would likely cost 6000. In no case would it be less than the local rebuilder. So I really doesn’t solve the issue except for the likely better warranty.
i have an R56 with the Aisin and 172000 miles a fervent hope that the trans doesn’t die, because there’s no way the car can merit a six-grand repair. It will get a junkyard takeout. You really have to consider that this same dilemma applies to *most* cars out there, especially the lower price-class cars like our MINIs. It’s just a fact of economics.
$6700 from minii on sale plus $1200 for installation is idiotic. Even the mini mechanic said it was absurd.
A mini specialists near me talked to some of the biggest transmission dealers in the Mid-Atlantic and they said they don't even go near these Aisin Warner trannies. My question is why not?!
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Yes economics indeed. But if mini wants to support long running R56's then it needs to offer the parts for these rebuilds for less money and or remanufactured units for a more reasonable price. $4500 and a 6 month guarantee was what I was quoted at one shop and $5300 at another. The $4500 is from a shop that does many mini trannies or so they claim.
$6700 from minii on sale plus $1200 for installation is idiotic. Even the mini mechanic said it was absurd.
A mini specialists near me talked to some of the biggest transmission dealers in the Mid-Atlantic and they said they don't even go near these Aisin Warner trannies. My question is why not?!
$6700 from minii on sale plus $1200 for installation is idiotic. Even the mini mechanic said it was absurd.
A mini specialists near me talked to some of the biggest transmission dealers in the Mid-Atlantic and they said they don't even go near these Aisin Warner trannies. My question is why not?!
No, the point is that we just have accept the fact that buying used parts is a thing. It’s a very sensible thing at that.
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I guess I'm lucky that there is a transmission shop near me that specializes in Aisin transmission service and rebuilds, they recommend changing the transmission fluid and filter every 50,000 miles. MINIs have the same automatic transmissions as Volkswagens (Aisin 09G and 09M).
#14
what you’re describing (unfortunately) is not a MINI phenomenon; modern auto trans units are stupid-expensive to overhaul and dramatically more involved than the old school 3-speed Turbo 350 (GM) or the Torqueflite from Chrysler. Modern units have five to 9(!) speeds and a pile of electronics, many of which have to be replaced at rebuild. A Mustang or Tahoe or F150 trans job is also thousands of dollars these days. The point I’m getting at is that the economics suck for most modern cars once they age. Damned few cars out there at this kind of mileage can justify a 4-5000 dollar repair. Potential availability of a factory reman unit would in no way help that math because it won’t be cheaper than 4500. We have old “modern” cars that aren’t worth enough to justify the cost to repair their modern components. Price a reman engine(!) I know someone whose Edge needs a sunroof repair that costs $3500! The idea that the mfr might have a ‘duty’ to supply lower cost parts to keep their older cars on the road longer....is silly. They’re in business to sell new cars, not prop up old ones (which prevents a customer from buying another new one).
No, the point is that we just have accept the fact that buying used parts us a thing. It’s a very sensible thing at that.
Thanks for your thoughts.
#16
To get the transmission in your Jetta properly fixed, you need to know how the transmission is put together and exactly what is going wrong. The dealer won’t do this for you. They’ll simply replace the transmission or valve body with an OEM model, knowing full well that the problem will likely continue."
I wonder how much they charge.
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