Are TPMS'es for 07-09 different with 10-13?
 

I got 2010 R56 and just bought 09 wheels with TPMS'es and my computer cannot read it. Are TPMS'es for 07-09 different with 10-13?
Thanks in advance!
-Mike

they changed frequencies . . .

from outmotoring's description of tha TPMS sensor kit:

"Please note, as of the Sept 2009 build date MINI has a different frequency for the TPMS sensors. Please note the option on the drop down menu for build date and slight price change for the newer TPMS kit."


http://www.outmotoring.com/mini-coop...nitor_set.html

My 07 doesn't have the TPMS valve stem. It relies on wheel rotation variations sensed by the ABS to determine if the pressure is down.

as does mine

they changed to active transmitters in middle of the 07 year (mine was one of the last .. on the truck with mine w/out were cars that HAD the new system)

but he's talking about 9 and 10 ... well past the cutover

I know there was a change in October 2009 but do not know if there has been one since. I bought 10 wheels to install on my 2009; this is when I learned that, at the time, there were 3 different models of TPMS in use.

+1 on what Capt BJ said, the sensors have a up to production 9/2009 , then a from production 9/2009 on. I believe the early 07 R56 got them in 8/2007-, before that it was like the older system which read off of the wheel speed.

R56+ 08/2007-09/2009


http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/36236798726/

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09/2009+


http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/36106856227/

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I know that '12 Coopers without RFTs had the system that checks wheel speed to determine if a tire is losing air. Because mine has that system, not the one with actual sensors in the tires.

Are you sure about that?

I thought all US spec cars were mandated to have an active TPMS system (ie with sensors), so you got it on a MINI whether you had runflats or not. Do you have rubber valve stems, that's the giveaway that you don't have TPMS on MINIs.

yep

my 11 SOUL has regular tires but 'active' TPMS

thank your Congressman .... they made it the law . . . to protect you.

Just because they are rubber does not mean they don't have sensors. MINI never used these, just saying rubber stems does not make a dead give away.

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I'm pretty sure... I do have rubber valve stems, but I haven't had any tires dismounted to inspect for transmitters.

I do not have any readout for tire pressures on board the car, and I thought that if you had the "real" TPMS you would see pressure numbers.

I think the Owner's Manual also mentions the "fake" TPMS that is based on comparing wheel speeds.

Nope ... not on a MINI

now on some cars today TPMS DOES give pressure ..... and on some cars TPMS can tell you WHICH tire is low .... but MINI meets the legal requirements:

TPMS Legislation - In 2000 6.5 million tires were recalled due to tread separation on automobiles in the US. This prompted President Clinton to sign the first version of the TREAD Act which required Tire Pressure Warning Systems to be implemented on Model Year 2004 automobiles. These were to include all passenger vehicles and light trucks with GWVR of 10,000 lbs and less.
A debate continued over the language of the ruling up to 2005 when the final rule was established on April 8 2005. NHTSA have stipulated that for 2008 all newly manufactured or imported US cars will be fitted with TPMS systems most of which use 'direct' sensors which are either part of the valve stem or banded to the wheel. These sensors transmit their own ID along with their pressure, temperature and other data to the vehicle ECU and the legislation defines the designated dash mounted warnings for the driver when a tire is under inflated/leaking etc.
The phase in schedule for new vehicles was:
20% compliance for Model Year 2006
70% compliance for Model Year 2007 (9/1/06)
100% compliance for Model Year 2008 (9/1/07)

from: http://www.bartecusa.com/tpms-legislation.html

The Bartec Group are world leaders in TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems). We have installed TPMS read and test systems in over seventy plants for the world's car manufacturers since 1998 and supplied tens of thousands of TPMS dealer tools to franchised and non-franchised dealers, tire shops and other outlets.

Note that the 2002 MINI came with the TPMS system based on rotation speed, being a need due to no spare on the S (mine didn't even come with a jack!) But as the TREAD became law the US definition of TPMS required active sensors in most cases. Outside of the US the rules are different. For example Europe' status:

On Tuesday 10th March 2009 The European Parliament in Strasbourg officially approved a Directive Proposal of the Commission aimed to simplify and change the type approval of motor vehicles in Europe.
At the same time this proposal introduces a series of implementing measures imposing mandatory adoption of some proven existing technology including Tyre Pressure monitoring Systems (and ESP).
As for TPMS introduction dates and technical specification this mandate officially requires that (see article 9.2 of adopted text):
"Vehicles in categories M1 shall be equipped with an accurate Tyre Pressure Monitoring System capable of giving, when necessary, an in-car warning to the driver when a loss of pressure occurs in any tyre, which is in the interests of optimum fuel consumption and road safety.
Appropriate limits in the technical specifications shall be set to achieve this, which shall furthermore allow for a technology-neutral and cost-effective approach in the development of accurate Tyre Pressure Monitoring Systems."
As for the introduction dates of TPMS systems, there is a two year phase-in schedule starting from November 1st 2012. Article 13.1 to 13.4 of the adopted text states that all vehicles type approved after this date must install TPMS systems as well as all vehicles manufactured after November 1st 2014. {same source}

In Canada: The Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) is not a manufacturing requirement on new vehicles sold in Canada, or on imported vehicles. Furthermore, there is no federal regulation that prohibits disabling the TPMS system on vehicles, as vehicle use falls under provincial and territorial jurisdictions. {source: http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/roadsafety-1158.htm}

Well, heck. Mine must have it, then!

I've checked. It does.

The valve stems are metal, not rubber. The original window sticker also says "TMPS" in the list of "included standard equipment".

I re-read that section of the owner's manual, and I see that I misread it before. The "FTM" (Flat Tire Monitor) system is described, and that is the "fake pressure monitoring system" that I thought I had. The TPMS is also described. It does not tell you what the current pressures are, but does tell you which wheel is low. FTM only says that one or more tires are low. And I remember that it told me my RF tire was low when it was going flat.

So I do not have the FTM system, it actually is the TMPS system.