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uRabbit Sep 14, 2007 05:00 PM

What's with the Cooper S emblem?
 
Why do all the pictures I see of the Clubman have Cooper S brandings? :confused:

Partsman Sep 14, 2007 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by uRabbit (Post 1751606)
Why do all the pictures I see of the Clubman have Cooper S brandings? :confused:

The Cooper S Clubman seems to be the popular one to photograph. I have to agree I haven't seen to many pics of these...

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-con...I_Clubman2.jpg

rosmakloma Sep 14, 2007 06:03 PM

The Clubman's will not be 'branded' or noted in any way that they are a Clubman, but rather just Cooper or Cooper S. With most of the early builds and reviews - I'm sure to fight off any reports of it being to 'under powered' - they're pushing mostly S models to the press.

korby Sep 14, 2007 06:03 PM

So the non S doesnt have the weird rear end coloring ?

uRabbit Sep 14, 2007 06:26 PM

But it's not a Cooper... It's a Clubman... Dear God, not another company bringing back past cars and not knowing what they are...

ToBFree Sep 14, 2007 06:44 PM

You can see a good comparison of both models in the MC2 mag. Nearly equal billing.

70spop Sep 14, 2007 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by korby (Post 1751701)
So the non S doesnt have the weird rear end coloring ?

That's what I noticed, too. Interesting. And it would also mean that the Cooper version's quarter panel trim could be used if you wanted to paint the S model normally in the rear.

And if that photo is the real McCoy then the Cooper.... non-S models don't have the funky taillights that we've been seeing. Hmmm....

2phun Sep 14, 2007 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by 70spop (Post 1751946)
And if that photo is the real McCoy then the Cooper.... non-S models don't have the funky taillights that we've been seeing. Hmmm....

Almost 100% sure this is a photochop. The rear tailgate and window are more slanted and rounded than other photos of actual Clubmans and the rear side windows don't taper enough. The rear seat headrests sit way high. The rear spoiler appears different as well, hinting that this is a hatchback. The rear wiper doesn't rest the same as other photos either, appearing to be one larger wiper. And if you look at the roofline almost directly above the rear seat headrest, a slight dip in the roofline hints that it might be a chop. A few other inconsistencies also. Is it possible that these are all styling differences between the S and the base Cooper Clubman? Sure. I like the look, but I don't buy it for the real thing.

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-con...I_Clubman2.jpg
Compare with this one for reference...
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1....prf.1.500.jpg

Dr Obnxs Sep 14, 2007 10:17 PM

I think the rear paint scheme is optional...
 
and it ties into the rear design of the original. I don't like it, but those that want the historical link may.

Matt

70spop Sep 14, 2007 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by 2phun (Post 1751985)
Almost 100% sure this is a photochop.

Ah, I believe you are correct. The blackout borders around the side windows are different, too. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. :lol:

70spop Sep 14, 2007 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by 2phun (Post 1751985)


Is it just me, or does the clubman sit lower than the R56?

Dr Obnxs Sep 14, 2007 10:30 PM

Let's hope it's not just you!
 
:wink:

MAtt

2phun Sep 14, 2007 10:32 PM

Here's a spy photo from a while back showing a couple Cooper Clubmans with what looks like the funky rear pillars and taillights...:sly:
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-con...clubman_01.jpg

Partsman Sep 15, 2007 05:19 AM

Sorry guys, I was just skimming through some Google images and grabbed one that was a Cooper. I should have paid more attention to the photo.
The one I posted is definitely not accurate when compared to the production model.

uRabbit Sep 15, 2007 10:11 AM

Okay you're all missing the point. Haha.
MINIUSA.com shows it as a Cooper S.
But what I'm trying to say is... it's NOT a Cooper S!
It's a Clubman! And if the Clubman has an S version, so be it...

Why is BMW/MINI slapping the Cooper S badge on there?
I think it's ridiculously embarassing...

Crashton Sep 15, 2007 10:41 AM

Yep there will be an Cooper S version & a Cooper version of the Traveler. I mean Clubman. :wink:

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 15, 2007 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by uRabbit (Post 1751728)
But it's not a Cooper... It's a Clubman... Dear God, not another company bringing back past cars and not knowing what they are...

Honestly....even calling it the clubman would be wrong.

the clubman (in the past) was this with the weird front end:
http://www.geocities.com/jharkola/im...iku/rover7.jpg

And the clubman estate:
http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/press/clubman_1.jpg

Morris Traveller:
http://www.centralnet.ch/userpages/m.../jgmmorris.jpg

Crashton Sep 15, 2007 07:39 PM

It's all about what name BMW still owned the rights to. They wanted to call it the Traveller but couldn't. I'm still going to call the Clubman that. Just seems right & proper to me.:grin:

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 15, 2007 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Crashton (Post 1753077)
It's all about what name BMW still owned the rights to. They wanted to call it the Traveller but couldn't. I'm still going to call the Clubman that. Just seems right & proper to me.:grin:

agreed :thumbsup:

First person to fit traveller/estate style mirrors on the new model wins:cool:

Crashton Sep 15, 2007 08:05 PM

Wins what Rally? An award for ugliest wing mirrors. :lol:

2phun Sep 15, 2007 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by uRabbit (Post 1752458)
Okay you're all missing the point. Haha.
MINIUSA.com shows it as a Cooper S.
But what I'm trying to say is... it's NOT a Cooper S!
It's a Clubman! And if the Clubman has an S version, so be it...

Why is BMW/MINI slapping the Cooper S badge on there?
I think it's ridiculously embarassing...

I think they are doing it to give folks like us something to banter about :wink:

Rally@StanceDesign Sep 16, 2007 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Crashton (Post 1753120)
Wins what Rally? An award for ugliest wing mirrors. :lol:


No...it would look amazing...trust me :razz::thumbsup:


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