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5904 Apr 24, 2015 05:17 PM

Cranks but won't fire
 
Out of nowhere My '04 S won't start. I drove to work today and everything was fine. Got in it this afternoon and it cranks fine, strong battery and starter but it will not fire. Nothing, no sign of firing.
If this car was from the '60s I'd say the coil wire was off or I was flat out of gas. Since it's from 11 years ago, the coil wire doesn't apply but fuel could be a problem. It does have a quarter tank though.
My first thought is the fuel pump quit. Does this sound familiar to anyone or am I barking up the wrong tree? How would I go about checking? I don't notice any wrong sounds or lack thereof.

Any input greatly appreciated

ZippyNH Apr 24, 2015 07:19 PM

There is a valve on the fuel rail under the ic....
You could check for psi with a guage...can you smell fuel coming out the tailpipe?
Try putting a spare sparkplug on a sparkplug wire....let it sit on something metal or ground it...see if you have a spark....

5904 Apr 24, 2015 07:37 PM

I'll try those suggestions in the morning. Thanks

gpwpat Apr 25, 2015 11:31 AM

Mine did this a year ago. Towed home ordered a fuel pump and was back in business.

5904 Apr 25, 2015 09:12 PM

I finally got to it today. It has spark. I ran out of time but I'm thinking my first thought of fuel pump was accurate. I'll check more tomorrow.
Do the fuel pumps have a tendency to quit out of the blue? I'm at 87K miles.


Car won't run 101: Gotta have fuel, gotta have spark, gotta have spark at the right time.

On a modern car like this the spark at the right time is rarely an issue so it does point to fuel pump.

gpwpat Apr 25, 2015 11:55 PM

Probably fuel pump. Mine went at 187k. It was fine until it didn't work. Almost like there was a dead spot in the pump. Once it stopped on the dead spot there was no starting it. I banged on it and everything.

5904 Apr 28, 2015 09:17 PM

It was the fuel pump. $200 part and my own labor and I'm back on the road.

Someone is selling new pumps with a two year warranty on eBay for just over $100 but I didn't want to wait.

ZippyNH Apr 29, 2015 02:20 AM

Folks who run their tank below 1/4 or lower regularly tend to have them fail...
Remember, the pump is submerged and cooled by fuel....

5904 Apr 29, 2015 07:14 AM

That would be me.
In my opinion German engineering is not all it's cracked up to be. Running below a 1/4 tank should not cause such issues.

I will avoid doing so from now on...

5904 May 4, 2015 05:56 PM

Pump Inspection
 
My curiosity was killing me so I took the old pump apart to try and see what went wrong. I got the motor/pump assembly out and it is quite stout. It turned freely and felt fine. I put 12 V to it and it whirred away like nothing ever happened. I put everything back together and the same thing.
I'm sure it would pump fine now but for how long until it freezes again?
I think these motors tend to stop on a dead spot and then won't start next time.

It's frustrating that nobody will sell you just a new motor/pump and you have to buy the entire assembly, most of which is perfectly fine.

ZippyNH May 4, 2015 07:50 PM

heat tends to cause one or more of the solder joints fail in the motor/windings of any fuel pump to fail., or ANY electric motor to fail..same happens to the insulation on the wires in the motor....causes a "dead spot" where IF the pump stops in that spot, it is stuck...that is why banging the pump/fuel tank with your hand to jostile it works...same trick as hitting a starter with a hammer to get a few more starts....


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