Don't be shy... list all the cars you've owned!
4th Gear
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Texas
This is great. Brings back memories. My mom taught me to drive when I was 11. Could barely see over the steering wheel. Still have this problem in some cars. 
Parents' cars that they let me drive till I got my first set of wheels:
1942 Ford coupe
1946 Chevy coupe
1948 Ford pickup
1954 Ford Fairlane
19?? Chevy Carryall Van
My cars:
1958 Olds Super 88 (had more chrome than you could shake a stick at & had the gas filler neck inside the LH taillight)
Loved it. It was a beast & gas was cheap1967 Firebird convertible (bought it new for $2800 and sold it 16 years later for $4000)
1982 Olds Cutlass (OMG I hated it; it would do donuts when braking on slightly wet streets)
1988 Toyota Corolla GTS (loved it; it was totally destroyed in the 1995 hail storm in Fort Worth)
1995 Volvo 850 Wagon (so uncool, but a great car; just sold it to an older gentleman who is almost as happy with it as I am with the Mini) **
2006 MiniCooperS
** I have to tell you that I almost lost this sale. I bought a bunch of stuff recommended on Detailing 101 and tested it on the Volvo. This fellow was so impressed how the Volvo looked (even though I refused to Clay Bar it) till I took him for a ride in the Mini. He was so cute. He said, "Damn, you really can drive a 6 speed. I've changed my mind. I don't want the Volvo anymore, I want a Mini like yours!"
He had such a smile of pure pleasure on his face.
2nd Gear
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 93
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From: Fort Collns, CO
Wow, What FUNNNNN!
$100 57 Chevy Wagon w/ Mattress?
60 Corvairw/ 3speed auto
61 Ford Falcon 2-door/ a 289
64 Corvair Monza Turbo
63 Nova SS
69 Nova SS 375Hp SS
65 VX Rodded BUG
68 MGB-GT
69 Chevy Vega Gt ?
76 TR-6
68 Chevy PU Rod 350hp Vette Engine
67 Jeep CJ5 w 327/325hp Vette engine
78 Chevy Short Box 4X4 / 375Hp 350 Vette engine
84 Honda Accord w/ mods and wheels
86 Chevy Smart Blazer..A piece of ****
89 Toyota Tacoma PU w/ factory "installed" drive line issues
90 Mazda/Ford Navaho
89 Honda Accord
86 Ford Ranger 4X4 PU
92 Miata
99 BMW M3 AWESOME!
99 Jeep Cheroke Sport
Now still own 03 MCS and Jeeeeep. Hoping for new Tacoma 4X4 Double Cab and of course THE MINI!!!
What fun to think about all of these...Thanks for the memories!!!!
$100 57 Chevy Wagon w/ Mattress?
60 Corvairw/ 3speed auto
61 Ford Falcon 2-door/ a 289
64 Corvair Monza Turbo
63 Nova SS
69 Nova SS 375Hp SS
65 VX Rodded BUG
68 MGB-GT
69 Chevy Vega Gt ?
76 TR-6
68 Chevy PU Rod 350hp Vette Engine
67 Jeep CJ5 w 327/325hp Vette engine
78 Chevy Short Box 4X4 / 375Hp 350 Vette engine
84 Honda Accord w/ mods and wheels
86 Chevy Smart Blazer..A piece of ****
89 Toyota Tacoma PU w/ factory "installed" drive line issues
90 Mazda/Ford Navaho
89 Honda Accord
86 Ford Ranger 4X4 PU
92 Miata
99 BMW M3 AWESOME!
99 Jeep Cheroke Sport
Now still own 03 MCS and Jeeeeep. Hoping for new Tacoma 4X4 Double Cab and of course THE MINI!!!
What fun to think about all of these...Thanks for the memories!!!!
2nd Gear
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 93
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From: Fort Collns, CO
Wow, What FUNNNNN!
$100 57 Chevy Wagon w/ Mattress?
60 Corvairw/ 3speed auto
61 Ford Falcon 2-door/ a 289
64 Corvair Monza Turbo
63 Nova SS
69 Nova SS 375Hp SS
65 VX Rodded BUG
68 MGB-GT
69 Chevy Vega Gt ?
76 TR-6
68 Chevy PU Rod 350hp Vette Engine
67 Jeep CJ5 w 327/325hp Vette engine
78 Chevy Short Box 4X4 / 375Hp 350 Vette engine
84 Honda Accord w/ mods and wheels
86 Chevy Small Blazer..A piece of ****
89 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 PU w/ factory "installed" drive line issues
90 Mazda/Ford Navaho
89 Honda Accord w/ mods & cOOOl wheels
86 Ford Ranger 4X4 PU
92 Miata
99 BMW M3 AWESOME!
99 Jeep Cheroke Sport
Now still own 03 MCS and Jeeeeep. Hoping for new Tacoma 4X4 Double Cab and of course THE MINI!!!
What fun to think about all of these...Thanks for the memories!!!!
$100 57 Chevy Wagon w/ Mattress?
60 Corvairw/ 3speed auto
61 Ford Falcon 2-door/ a 289
64 Corvair Monza Turbo
63 Nova SS
69 Nova SS 375Hp SS
65 VX Rodded BUG
68 MGB-GT
69 Chevy Vega Gt ?
76 TR-6
68 Chevy PU Rod 350hp Vette Engine
67 Jeep CJ5 w 327/325hp Vette engine
78 Chevy Short Box 4X4 / 375Hp 350 Vette engine
84 Honda Accord w/ mods and wheels
86 Chevy Small Blazer..A piece of ****
89 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 PU w/ factory "installed" drive line issues
90 Mazda/Ford Navaho
89 Honda Accord w/ mods & cOOOl wheels
86 Ford Ranger 4X4 PU
92 Miata
99 BMW M3 AWESOME!
99 Jeep Cheroke Sport
Now still own 03 MCS and Jeeeeep. Hoping for new Tacoma 4X4 Double Cab and of course THE MINI!!!
What fun to think about all of these...Thanks for the memories!!!!
Ive had a...
1997 Pontiac Grand AM SE
1996 GMC Seirra 1500
1999 Dodge Ram 2500
2002 Honda Civic SI
2002 Mini Cooper
~My Current Car is A 2004 Mini Cooper~
I'm thinking about selling it soon and buying a 2006 Pontiac GTO.
1997 Pontiac Grand AM SE
1996 GMC Seirra 1500
1999 Dodge Ram 2500
2002 Honda Civic SI
2002 Mini Cooper
~My Current Car is A 2004 Mini Cooper~
I'm thinking about selling it soon and buying a 2006 Pontiac GTO.
2nd Gear
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 54
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From: Colorado Springs
Here are mine in ascending order of ownership:
1971 AMC Hornet 4dr
1969 Chevy Malibu 2dr
1968 Ford Galaxie 500 fastback
1968 Ford Galaxie 500 4dr
1973 Ford Mustang
1972 Buick Skylark Convertible (nice)
1983 Chevy S-10 shortbed
1986 Chevy S-10 extended cab
1987 Dodge Daytona
1978 Daewoo Royale
1978 Toyota Tercel
1990 Chevy Corvette
1994 Plymouth Neon
1995 Jeep Wrangler
1996 BMW 318ti
1996 Nissan Pickup
1997 Ford Mustang GT
1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee TSi
2000 Dodge Grand Caravan
2000 Jeep Wrangler Sport
2003 Jeep Wrangler Sport (still own)
2006 Mini Cooper S (still own)
2006 Lotus Elise (still own)
Lots of memories, most great & some not so great.
1971 AMC Hornet 4dr
1969 Chevy Malibu 2dr
1968 Ford Galaxie 500 fastback
1968 Ford Galaxie 500 4dr
1973 Ford Mustang
1972 Buick Skylark Convertible (nice)
1983 Chevy S-10 shortbed
1986 Chevy S-10 extended cab
1987 Dodge Daytona
1978 Daewoo Royale
1978 Toyota Tercel
1990 Chevy Corvette
1994 Plymouth Neon
1995 Jeep Wrangler
1996 BMW 318ti
1996 Nissan Pickup
1997 Ford Mustang GT
1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee TSi
2000 Dodge Grand Caravan
2000 Jeep Wrangler Sport
2003 Jeep Wrangler Sport (still own)
2006 Mini Cooper S (still own)
2006 Lotus Elise (still own)
Lots of memories, most great & some not so great.
2nd Gear
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 53
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From: Washington,Pa
ok my list is also pretty short....but i like to think that is a good thing. I tend to hang on to vehicles.
1. 1969 Plymouth Valiant business coupe
2. 1992 F-150 regular cab
3. 1999 F-150 Extended cab
4. 2002 Mini Cooper silver/black with sport package (Current, and for a long time future car)
Like i said, a short list. I like to think all the other vehicles were a warm up to the mini lol.
1. 1969 Plymouth Valiant business coupe
2. 1992 F-150 regular cab
3. 1999 F-150 Extended cab
4. 2002 Mini Cooper silver/black with sport package (Current, and for a long time future car)
Like i said, a short list. I like to think all the other vehicles were a warm up to the mini lol.
4th Gear
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 419
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From: Ft Lauderdale, Fl
short list too, but thats because im young, its actually pretty long for my ago IMO
-2003 nighthawk black pearl honda accord ex sedan with automatic (her name was Gwen and although when i was sellign her i couldnt wait to move to Harley Quinn, ive begun to miss her lately)
-and my current ride a cr/w 2004 MCS
-2003 nighthawk black pearl honda accord ex sedan with automatic (her name was Gwen and although when i was sellign her i couldnt wait to move to Harley Quinn, ive begun to miss her lately)
-and my current ride a cr/w 2004 MCS
1. I bought a 1965 Volkswagen Beetle after my second year at UT, during the summer of 72, for $350. From the perspective of 34 years later, this was one of my favorite cars. I sold it to a pretty girl with red hair for $400.
2. I was looking for a pick-up and saw this 1957 Chevrolet ½ ton pick-up at an auto shop. It attracted me (in spite of the fact that there was a lot of bare metal showing) because it had the bill over the windshield, a huge, beefy “headache rack”, and an equally beefy rear bumper custom-fabricated from checkerplate (not to mention the pair of chrome rockets on the hood). Of course, I imagined what it could look like. I paid $595 for it. It had a straight six and a three-speed manual. There was a starter button on the floor which you pushed after turning the key. It even had a hand throttle, but I never got it unfrozen. I put a new engine in it and sand-blasted and painted the body. The painting was not very successful, and was beginning to peel a little when I sold it to a lady in the lawn-care business for $900.
3. By the time I got the next car (probably about 1981), I was married. It was a 1976 cinnamon-red Chevette hatchback. It was in very good condition. I don’t remember what we bought it for or what we sold it for, but the buyer was a female truck driver.
4. When I sold #2, we bought a 1979 Ford F-100, dark-green, 6-cyl., standard, long-bed pick-up, my first new car. I loved it and drove it until about 1988, when it rolled into the bayou. I parked under the Lacombe house at the time, and had gotten in and started it, when I remembered something I forgot upstairs. I went up to get it, leaving the truck running. While I was upstairs, I heard a huge crash, and knew immediately what it was. Sure enough, I looked out the window and saw it floating out into the bayou. Insurance company totalled it, but after 9 years, it wasn’t worth much to them.
5. With the meager proceeds from #4, I bought a metallic blue Toyota Tercel hatchback. It was a nice little car, not sure what year, 1981, I think - it was the one with the all-glass rear hatch. It had been poorly taken care of cosmetically - the paint and interior were badly faded, so I got it repainted. I sold it in 1990.
6. When I sold the Tercel, I bought the second new car, a maroon 1990 Toyota Extended cab pick-up, which I drove for 15 years and 252,000 miles. It had a four cyl., and a manual transmission. I paid about $12,800 for it. The transmission finally gave out, and I traded it in (for $500, which I was happy to get) on Sherry’s Sienna van.
7. My next car was Sherry’s 4-year-old white 2000 Honda CRV. This was my first car with leather and I liked that, even if it was black. I drove it until May of 2006, when I sold it for $9,000.
8. After the Honda sold, I bought a 2006 Mini Cooper S, British racing green convertible, with a black top and a tan leather interior.
Apologies if this is too long, but it was already written & I just pasted.
2. I was looking for a pick-up and saw this 1957 Chevrolet ½ ton pick-up at an auto shop. It attracted me (in spite of the fact that there was a lot of bare metal showing) because it had the bill over the windshield, a huge, beefy “headache rack”, and an equally beefy rear bumper custom-fabricated from checkerplate (not to mention the pair of chrome rockets on the hood). Of course, I imagined what it could look like. I paid $595 for it. It had a straight six and a three-speed manual. There was a starter button on the floor which you pushed after turning the key. It even had a hand throttle, but I never got it unfrozen. I put a new engine in it and sand-blasted and painted the body. The painting was not very successful, and was beginning to peel a little when I sold it to a lady in the lawn-care business for $900.
3. By the time I got the next car (probably about 1981), I was married. It was a 1976 cinnamon-red Chevette hatchback. It was in very good condition. I don’t remember what we bought it for or what we sold it for, but the buyer was a female truck driver.
4. When I sold #2, we bought a 1979 Ford F-100, dark-green, 6-cyl., standard, long-bed pick-up, my first new car. I loved it and drove it until about 1988, when it rolled into the bayou. I parked under the Lacombe house at the time, and had gotten in and started it, when I remembered something I forgot upstairs. I went up to get it, leaving the truck running. While I was upstairs, I heard a huge crash, and knew immediately what it was. Sure enough, I looked out the window and saw it floating out into the bayou. Insurance company totalled it, but after 9 years, it wasn’t worth much to them.
5. With the meager proceeds from #4, I bought a metallic blue Toyota Tercel hatchback. It was a nice little car, not sure what year, 1981, I think - it was the one with the all-glass rear hatch. It had been poorly taken care of cosmetically - the paint and interior were badly faded, so I got it repainted. I sold it in 1990.
6. When I sold the Tercel, I bought the second new car, a maroon 1990 Toyota Extended cab pick-up, which I drove for 15 years and 252,000 miles. It had a four cyl., and a manual transmission. I paid about $12,800 for it. The transmission finally gave out, and I traded it in (for $500, which I was happy to get) on Sherry’s Sienna van.
7. My next car was Sherry’s 4-year-old white 2000 Honda CRV. This was my first car with leather and I liked that, even if it was black. I drove it until May of 2006, when I sold it for $9,000.
8. After the Honda sold, I bought a 2006 Mini Cooper S, British racing green convertible, with a black top and a tan leather interior.
Apologies if this is too long, but it was already written & I just pasted.
3rd Gear
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 237
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From: San Diego CA
1981 Toyota Celica GT
1988 Honda CRX Si (one of my 2 favorites! I drove it into the ground)
1996 Toyota Celica GT (hated it)
1997 Jaguar XK8 convertible
2000 BMW 530i
2002 Toyota Tundra
2002 Mercedes CLK430 (P.O.S!!! spent more time in the shop than on the road a good friend of mine had similar issues with his CL600, S500, and G-wagon)
2004 MCS (my current Favorite)
1988 Honda CRX Si (one of my 2 favorites! I drove it into the ground)
1996 Toyota Celica GT (hated it)
1997 Jaguar XK8 convertible
2000 BMW 530i
2002 Toyota Tundra
2002 Mercedes CLK430 (P.O.S!!! spent more time in the shop than on the road a good friend of mine had similar issues with his CL600, S500, and G-wagon)
2004 MCS (my current Favorite)
here is mine too
some of you guys has LOOOOOOOOOOOONNNGGGG lists, that's cool anyway 
here is my list
PAST CARS:
1990 NISSAN 240 SX
1994 JEEP WRANGLER sahara
2001 HARLEY DAVIDSON Sporster 1200 Custom
CURRENT:
2001 HARLEY DAVIDSON Softail standard (nothing of harley in that and nothing standard)
1994 CHEVROLET CK1500 long bed ex-cab (the bike truck)
2001 HONDA CIVIC
2003 HUMMER H2
2003 MINI COOPER S JCW
here is my listPAST CARS:
1990 NISSAN 240 SX
1994 JEEP WRANGLER sahara
2001 HARLEY DAVIDSON Sporster 1200 Custom
CURRENT:
2001 HARLEY DAVIDSON Softail standard (nothing of harley in that and nothing standard)
1994 CHEVROLET CK1500 long bed ex-cab (the bike truck)
2001 HONDA CIVIC
2003 HUMMER H2
2003 MINI COOPER S JCW
6th Gear
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,314
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From: Cleveland OHIO
ok let me play
1. 1977 yellow MGB
2. 1988 white Pontiac Lemans
3. 1990 red Dodge Daytona
4. 1982 copper VW Rabbit diesel
5. 1981 orange VW Rabbit cabriolet
6. 1995 purple geo Tracker soft top
7. 2000 green Saturn SL2
8. 2001 yellow Saturn SC2
9. 2002 black VW Golf
10. 2002 black MINI cooper
11. 2002 black Hyundai Accent
12. 2003 green VW new Beetle
13. 2005 black PT cruiser convertible
14. 2006 yellow MINI cooper
15. 2006 red MINI cooper cabriolet
2. 1988 white Pontiac Lemans
3. 1990 red Dodge Daytona
4. 1982 copper VW Rabbit diesel
5. 1981 orange VW Rabbit cabriolet
6. 1995 purple geo Tracker soft top
7. 2000 green Saturn SL2
8. 2001 yellow Saturn SC2
9. 2002 black VW Golf
10. 2002 black MINI cooper
11. 2002 black Hyundai Accent
12. 2003 green VW new Beetle
13. 2005 black PT cruiser convertible
14. 2006 yellow MINI cooper
15. 2006 red MINI cooper cabriolet
1st Gear
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
From: San Antonio, TX
72 Pontiac Catalina
85 Ford F-150
87 Mistubishi Galant
89 Hyundai Excel
89 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
90 VW Jetta GL
99 BMW 528i
02 BMW 330Cic
03 Acura TL-S
06 MCS
Most of the time, ownership of my old cars overlapped
85 Ford F-150
87 Mistubishi Galant
89 Hyundai Excel
89 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
90 VW Jetta GL
99 BMW 528i
02 BMW 330Cic
03 Acura TL-S
06 MCS
Most of the time, ownership of my old cars overlapped
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,235
Likes: 2
From: Ventura Co. Calif.
1970 Porsche 914-6
1971 VW Super Beetle
1971 Ford Pickup
1971 Ford Bronco
!977 Datsun 280 Z
1988 Honda CRX Si
1989 Honda Civic Si Hatchback
2005 Mini Cooper S
Looking for 1974-75 Honda Civic 1200
1971 VW Super Beetle
1971 Ford Pickup
1971 Ford Bronco
!977 Datsun 280 Z
1988 Honda CRX Si
1989 Honda Civic Si Hatchback
2005 Mini Cooper S
Looking for 1974-75 Honda Civic 1200
2nd Gear
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 111
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From: Seattle, WA
My Kars
77 Toyota Celica GT H/B, Yellow w/ factory CB radio.
78 VW Scirocco, White w/ black Starsky and Hutch Stripe
84 Mercury Marquis, two-tone baby-sh*t brown, hand-me-down
71(?) Chevy Impala, 400CID w/ a four-barrel carb, green (brush-painted )
83 Plymouth Horizon, Battleship gey, basically a bad Rabbit
77 VW Rabbit, Miami Blau (Robin's Egg Blue)
76 Porsche 914, white, "like riding in a hockey puck, eh?", said a Canadian friend of mine. Glad the ex- took it.
87 VW Golf GTI, charcoal metallic, STILL the best car I've ever owned until Li'l Pepper goes 300K miles!!! (I bought it with 30K)
83 VW Wabbit GTI, Black, fast and LOUD
06 Mini Cooper, PW/B, First new car I've ever owned!!!
Next?
BMW M-coupe Klown Shoe or a Subaru Outback or Forester
78 VW Scirocco, White w/ black Starsky and Hutch Stripe
84 Mercury Marquis, two-tone baby-sh*t brown, hand-me-down
71(?) Chevy Impala, 400CID w/ a four-barrel carb, green (brush-painted )
83 Plymouth Horizon, Battleship gey, basically a bad Rabbit
77 VW Rabbit, Miami Blau (Robin's Egg Blue)
76 Porsche 914, white, "like riding in a hockey puck, eh?", said a Canadian friend of mine. Glad the ex- took it.
87 VW Golf GTI, charcoal metallic, STILL the best car I've ever owned until Li'l Pepper goes 300K miles!!! (I bought it with 30K)
83 VW Wabbit GTI, Black, fast and LOUD
06 Mini Cooper, PW/B, First new car I've ever owned!!!
Next?
BMW M-coupe Klown Shoe
or a Subaru Outback or Forester
1st Gear
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 39
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From: S. California
87 VW Golf -- Learned to drive in it until its uncerimonious trade in :(
87 Nissan Pulsar NX (Shudder) -- Needed something to get me to college. This WASN'T it.
87 Nissan Sentra -- Awesome little car. Put a rebuilt engine and worked like a champ for a few years.
83 Jeep CJ7 -- My first project vehicle.
2000 VW Jetta VR6 -- My first new car
2002 VW Jeta 1.8T -- Fun but sooo many problems :(
2005 BMW 330I -- Ok sometimes my wife lets me drive it... lol
2006 MCS -- Fun fun fun.
Of the three only the CJ7, BMW, and Mini are still around. I am ready to part with the Jeep now though.
87 Nissan Pulsar NX (Shudder) -- Needed something to get me to college. This WASN'T it.
87 Nissan Sentra -- Awesome little car. Put a rebuilt engine and worked like a champ for a few years.
83 Jeep CJ7 -- My first project vehicle.
2000 VW Jetta VR6 -- My first new car
2002 VW Jeta 1.8T -- Fun but sooo many problems :(
2005 BMW 330I -- Ok sometimes my wife lets me drive it... lol
2006 MCS -- Fun fun fun.
Of the three only the CJ7, BMW, and Mini are still around. I am ready to part with the Jeep now though.
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 3,748
Likes: 1
From: In my secret lair of justice somewhere among the sewers of Jacksonville Florida.
Okay here goes:
1955 Ford sedan
1959 Ford Galaxy
1959 TR3 (eventually with a 283 c.u. Chevy under the hood)
1965 GTO (w/ 610 hp 396c.i. Chevy engine-a legitimate 10 sec street rod)
1972 FUEL CRISIS & COLLEGE ENDS MY HOT ROD STAGE
1972 Ford Pinto (died to get me from Cincinnati OH to Jacksonville FL in 75)
1973 Chevy Vega (yea I was the sucker who bought it)
1975 Opel Manta (died eating its electrical system-battery fell into the
wiring)
1976 TR7 (fit like a snug gym shoe but a gamey electrical system)
1981 Dodge Colt Vista (to transport our tandem bike/Trikes)
1989 Honda CRXsi (wife's 1st ever new car)
1991 Jeep Wrangler
2001 Honda Insight (my wifes drive to work car)
2003 MINI Cooper S (finally auto nirvana, I am content)
It been a long, maddening, twisted and epic journey to MINI contentment hasn't it. LEE 
(oh yea, I'm an old fart)
1955 Ford sedan
1959 Ford Galaxy
1959 TR3 (eventually with a 283 c.u. Chevy under the hood)
1965 GTO (w/ 610 hp 396c.i. Chevy engine-a legitimate 10 sec street rod)
1972 FUEL CRISIS & COLLEGE ENDS MY HOT ROD STAGE
1972 Ford Pinto (died to get me from Cincinnati OH to Jacksonville FL in 75)
1973 Chevy Vega (yea I was the sucker who bought it)
1975 Opel Manta (died eating its electrical system-battery fell into the
wiring)
1976 TR7 (fit like a snug gym shoe but a gamey electrical system)
1981 Dodge Colt Vista (to transport our tandem bike/Trikes)
1989 Honda CRXsi (wife's 1st ever new car)
1991 Jeep Wrangler
2001 Honda Insight (my wifes drive to work car)
2003 MINI Cooper S (finally auto nirvana, I am content)
It been a long, maddening, twisted and epic journey to MINI contentment hasn't it. LEE
(oh yea, I'm an old fart)