View Poll Results: Vote for your favorite photo on the topic: Black and White
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Poll :: August Photo Contest :: Sponsored By VacuCam :: 55 Entries
Originally Posted by Konky
I voted for 29, nice work 


Originally Posted by John @ MINI-FINI
I noticed 18 as I went through them - very nice, skillful shot, but 29 made me say WOW (outloud even) Very nice staging with the sunlight. Good job to all! 
Originally Posted by Crashton
I do agree with you that when images are created that were never there in life it's going over the top.
Some things I have never seen in life without using the tools of photography to manipulate reality.
manipulation with long shutterspeeds
- smoothed out flowing stream - the moving water I was looking at didn't look anything like that.
- glassy ocean - the ocean waves I was looking at are no longer present, and the pier I could only see faint hints of, is clear as day.
- blurred backgrounds that I never saw even as I was looking through the lens.
- Magnified movement effect that was never there in real life either.
- Life at F/2.8 doesn't match the reality of what I saw without my camera gear, and even at the time I had an F/22 view of the world through the lens and the camera recorded it at F/2.8. My intuition told me I would record something such as the image I took, but I never "saw" the out-of-focus background at any point either in "real life" or "through the lens".
I know there are those that have contempt for photoshop and image manipulation it makes possible, but whether we like it or not, photography at it's core is about using tools to create an image. We are not "recording reality", we are creating a representation of what was actually going on, and that representation is manipulated.
I just have to say brilliant! This has to be the best bunch of images yet.
18. is technically outstanding and Minor White and Ansel Adams would have been proud of the perfect zone system use of b&w. From pure white to deep rich black.
30. is incredible. A shot of serendipitous timing with the reflection of the road lines in the car.
43. is too small and too cool! This needs to be a t-shirt!
Great images everyone!
18. is technically outstanding and Minor White and Ansel Adams would have been proud of the perfect zone system use of b&w. From pure white to deep rich black.
30. is incredible. A shot of serendipitous timing with the reflection of the road lines in the car.
43. is too small and too cool! This needs to be a t-shirt!
Originally Posted by Crashton
Color in a black & white print says color to me, not black & white. Although I have to say that everyone has done a splendid job.
The topic was "black and white"...not "hey go shoot black and white photos this month"
Cody, I used to have similar feelings about digital. I was dead set against it. But digital has really opened up photography to many people who never would've bothered with film. IMO film requires more technique & ability to get that great photo. Guess I've softened up my views on it some. Now to me it's just tools to work in a different medium. Pictures is pictures. Like I said creating an image that wasn't there in real life, now that just isn't kosher in my mind.
I hope you don't think I was being too hard on you. I'm just an old guy trying to make a point.
I hope you don't think I was being too hard on you. I'm just an old guy trying to make a point.
Originally Posted by Crashton
Cody, I used to have similar feelings about digital. I was dead set against it. But digital has really opened up photography to many people who never would've bothered with film. IMO film requires more technique & ability to get that great photo. Guess I've softened up my views on it some. Now to me it's just tools to work in a different medium. Pictures is pictures. Like I said creating an image that wasn't there in real life, now that just isn't kosher in my mind.
I hope you don't think I was being too hard on you. I'm just an old guy trying to make a point.
I hope you don't think I was being too hard on you. I'm just an old guy trying to make a point.

BTW: Don't you have a DSLR?
-Cody
Yes Cody I do have a DSLR. I became sensitized to the chemicals in the darkroom & was having trouble with that. For me the darkroom was at least half the fun. I kept shooting film & had the negatives souped at the local lab & then scanned on a disc for me. That worked for a while until the lab started getting sloppy with their process. My negatives were being ruined. I took the plunge & bought a Canon G1....I can hear the Nikonion's screaming already...Crashton with a Canon??
It was a great digital camera that had full manual controls, just like a real camera should. I loved that camera & it helped rekindle my love affair with photography.
That camera taught me a lot. Like you said taking 500 pictures with instant feed back really helps you learn fast. When DSLR's first came out they were wildly expensive so I waited for prices to fall & fall they did. I bought a year old Fuji S1 referb for not much money. I had to stay with the Nikon system, because I had much money in Nikon glass. It used a Nikon D60 body with Fuji digital guts. Sort of a franken camera. Time moved on & I graduated to a D70. Wonderful camera. Then a screaming deal was had on a D2H. Now I have found my digital niche with my D200. The only manipulation that I do with my digital negatives are slight exposure correction & cropping. Not much different that my old chemical darkroom. I find that putting nose grease on my digital negatives doesn't help.
It was a great digital camera that had full manual controls, just like a real camera should. I loved that camera & it helped rekindle my love affair with photography.
That camera taught me a lot. Like you said taking 500 pictures with instant feed back really helps you learn fast. When DSLR's first came out they were wildly expensive so I waited for prices to fall & fall they did. I bought a year old Fuji S1 referb for not much money. I had to stay with the Nikon system, because I had much money in Nikon glass. It used a Nikon D60 body with Fuji digital guts. Sort of a franken camera. Time moved on & I graduated to a D70. Wonderful camera. Then a screaming deal was had on a D2H. Now I have found my digital niche with my D200. The only manipulation that I do with my digital negatives are slight exposure correction & cropping. Not much different that my old chemical darkroom. I find that putting nose grease on my digital negatives doesn't help.
54! is that record?
i think the fact that there are 54 to choose from, is totally awesome! and hey- there are no winners and losers here, right?
like my daddy always told me: "never vote for yourself. unless of course- there's money involved."
like my daddy always told me: "never vote for yourself. unless of course- there's money involved."
In all honesty, I think this one might be one of my favorite MINI pictures (number 17):

Whoever took it...do you have a high resolution version? I think it would look great as my desktop background
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However, I am sad to admit that I decided to vote for my own...but then again, I am happy I did because it looks like it's going to be a pretty close one that may come down to just 1 or 2 votes
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Whoever took it...do you have a high resolution version? I think it would look great as my desktop background
.However, I am sad to admit that I decided to vote for my own...but then again, I am happy I did because it looks like it's going to be a pretty close one that may come down to just 1 or 2 votes
Originally Posted by skitelluride531
Whoever took it...do you have a high resolution version? I think it would look great as my desktop background
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What a great group of images! This is really difficult. I like so many of them, 16, 18, 28, 29, 35, 36, and 54! I do love 43, very cool, but I really want to see it bigger. Oh man, I need to come back later.
I can't help but laugh; wasn't last month or the month before when people were complaining that there wasn't enough time to shoot for the monthly contest. 55 photos [Dave shaking his head]
As to those who complain about "manipulation" of the images, whether you've taken them with a digital sensor, film camera, or even a pin hole shoe box, they have still been significantly manipulated to be developed. jpg in digicam or "auto" RAW settings in PC, wet developer settings from the photo lab and then scan of the photo or positive, or even from your garage wet darkroom using specific lighting techniques. Nobody can honestly say their photo was not "manipulated" when they realize that a machine, camera, or someone else did it for them.
Ansel Adams, arguably the master of B&W photography would spend days in the darkroom perfecting a print. That's manipulation, pure and simple. He did it because of Dave B's point in an earlier post, the film or sensors even today can not capture exactly what our eyes are capable of seeing. It's up to us the photographers to accurately convey what we saw with our eyes. We are blessed now that the common person has access to tools more powerful than Ansel had. Doesn't mean the common person will get the same results however.
My personal photos may look to some as over saturated, but that's how I see the world around me; it's my interpretation. Everyone here should experiment and discover how they see with their eyes.
Don't complain about the tools for "manipulation" and instead learn them to discover your creative vision of how you see the world. That's what Ansel did with the tools available in his day. I may not be that crazy about painting in colors into a B&W photo, but is it really any less realistic than my beloved landscape water photos with silky smooth long exposure movement? I think they are both unnatural effects and it's up to the viewer to decide whether it's pleasing or not. [okay, enough, I'll get down from the soapbox and shut the heck up
]
Mark S, you may have been off the bike for awhile, but you obviously haven't forgotten how to ride so perfectly. I'll continue to get inspiration from your photos.
#16 - You obviously took great lengths to stage this shot and it was worth it. Fantastic lines; well done!
#17 (Dave B?) - Interesting, didn't' think anyone would go for the infrared looking photos here. Definitely a different unique perspective.
#19 - Too cool! Did any of the stars have colors?
#22 (Lee?) - The return of Bixby bridge.
Mario, your Mini, Konky's, and skitelluride531's are some of the nicest black Minis out there and they always look outstanding. Well done on your photo.
#28 - Really like the industrial look of this photo.
skitelluride531, don't forget the little people that helped you out.
I know where you started and you truly made an Ansel style effort on your fantastic photo.
Kurt, this photo is even better than the one you posted previously. This is one of my favorite photos from this contest collection and I'm surprised it isn't doing better; only because of the quality of some competitors. You can take pride in that you're still beating me.
Konky, do you ever take a bad photo? I mean really, everything you've ever posted makes me say "WOW!". You also know PS inside and out; please continue to offer your advanced tips on occasions.
#43 - Has so much potential, but is tragically miniscule in size. Why oh why? Next time please skip the art gallery mating and let us instead marvel in your photographic genius. Please consider reposting this photo full size into the reflections thread.
#52 - One of my other favorites from this month!
I appreciate the nice comments about my photo, even though this month is humbling for me. I take consolation that one of my favorite photographer's photo (#1) is tied with mine. The photos submitted this month were fantastic and at this rate, we'll need to change the voting to "pick any three". Well done everyone!
As to those who complain about "manipulation" of the images, whether you've taken them with a digital sensor, film camera, or even a pin hole shoe box, they have still been significantly manipulated to be developed. jpg in digicam or "auto" RAW settings in PC, wet developer settings from the photo lab and then scan of the photo or positive, or even from your garage wet darkroom using specific lighting techniques. Nobody can honestly say their photo was not "manipulated" when they realize that a machine, camera, or someone else did it for them.
Ansel Adams, arguably the master of B&W photography would spend days in the darkroom perfecting a print. That's manipulation, pure and simple. He did it because of Dave B's point in an earlier post, the film or sensors even today can not capture exactly what our eyes are capable of seeing. It's up to us the photographers to accurately convey what we saw with our eyes. We are blessed now that the common person has access to tools more powerful than Ansel had. Doesn't mean the common person will get the same results however.
My personal photos may look to some as over saturated, but that's how I see the world around me; it's my interpretation. Everyone here should experiment and discover how they see with their eyes. Don't complain about the tools for "manipulation" and instead learn them to discover your creative vision of how you see the world. That's what Ansel did with the tools available in his day. I may not be that crazy about painting in colors into a B&W photo, but is it really any less realistic than my beloved landscape water photos with silky smooth long exposure movement? I think they are both unnatural effects and it's up to the viewer to decide whether it's pleasing or not. [okay, enough, I'll get down from the soapbox and shut the heck up
]Mark S, you may have been off the bike for awhile, but you obviously haven't forgotten how to ride so perfectly. I'll continue to get inspiration from your photos.
#16 - You obviously took great lengths to stage this shot and it was worth it. Fantastic lines; well done!
#17 (Dave B?) - Interesting, didn't' think anyone would go for the infrared looking photos here. Definitely a different unique perspective.
#19 - Too cool! Did any of the stars have colors?
#22 (Lee?) - The return of Bixby bridge.
Mario, your Mini, Konky's, and skitelluride531's are some of the nicest black Minis out there and they always look outstanding. Well done on your photo.
#28 - Really like the industrial look of this photo.
skitelluride531, don't forget the little people that helped you out.
I know where you started and you truly made an Ansel style effort on your fantastic photo. Kurt, this photo is even better than the one you posted previously. This is one of my favorite photos from this contest collection and I'm surprised it isn't doing better; only because of the quality of some competitors. You can take pride in that you're still beating me.
Konky, do you ever take a bad photo? I mean really, everything you've ever posted makes me say "WOW!". You also know PS inside and out; please continue to offer your advanced tips on occasions.
#43 - Has so much potential, but is tragically miniscule in size. Why oh why? Next time please skip the art gallery mating and let us instead marvel in your photographic genius. Please consider reposting this photo full size into the reflections thread.
#52 - One of my other favorites from this month!
I appreciate the nice comments about my photo, even though this month is humbling for me. I take consolation that one of my favorite photographer's photo (#1) is tied with mine. The photos submitted this month were fantastic and at this rate, we'll need to change the voting to "pick any three". Well done everyone!
Dave: you raise many good points in your post above.
Yes, that's mine. You make the second person to comment about the infrared look. It was shot in color, and I used the channel mixer to do the color to B&W conversion and bring out that effect.
Here is the original:

The original image submitted was 1800 pixels wide. Because of that I used the "medium" sized version that the forum gallery software created. I routinely do this for entries that are greater than the 800 pixel wide stipulation in the contest rules, because it is simply much easier to use the medium version than to reject large entries and chase after people over PM when the rest of their image complied with the requirements and there is an easily postable version being created automatically by the gallery software. The actual "image" appears to be close to the 800 pixel wide size, but the large thick boarder made the fullsize image unfair to post in the poll.
That is actually a possibility with the forum polling. If there is interest, and somewhat of a consensus to change the polling to allow for voting for more than one photo, I'm open to conducting the poll that way in the future.
Originally Posted by speednut
#17 (Dave B?) - Interesting, didn't' think anyone would go for the infrared looking photos here. Definitely a different unique perspective.
Here is the original:

Originally Posted by speednut
#43 - Has so much potential, but is tragically miniscule in size. Why oh why? Next time please skip the art gallery mating and let us instead reveal in your photographic genius. Please consider reposting this photo full size into the reflections thread.
Originally Posted by speednut
I appreciate the nice comments about my photo, even though this month is humbling for me. I take consolation that one of my favorite photographer's photo (#1) is tied with mine. The photos submitted this month were fantastic and at this rate, we'll need to change the voting to "pick any three". Well done everyone!
Originally Posted by speednut
skitelluride531, don't forget the little people that helped you out. [IMG]images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] I know where you started and you truly made an Ansel style effort on your fantastic photo. 
. For those that don't know, Speednut definitely has helped me learn more and more about photoshop these past weeks through email. He is a wealth of information, and definitely has helped me understand a lot of the more advanced stuff in PS that can do so much to increase the look of an otherwise lacking photo (levels and curves in photoshop can work magic on a photo - Thanks for the help speednut The original photo:

Originally Posted by Dave
That is actually a possibility with the forum polling. If there is interest, and somewhat of a consensus to change the polling to allow for voting for more than one photo, I'm open to conducting the poll that way in the future.
Oh, by the way...my screen resolution is 1680 X 1050, so if you ever get a chance to make some high res. versions of your photo, I'd love to get one
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