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Old 11-22-2013, 10:15 AM
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PAX Indexes 2014 (Go get your grain of salt from the kitchen)

http://home.comcast.net/~paxrtp/rtp2014.html

HS: .797
HSR: .804
STF: .801
 

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I fully expect 2015 to look very different so I'm viewing 2014 as a transitional year for PAX.

Who knows, I may need shocks or some other goodies by 2015 depending on how things go.
 
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Gotta love a soft PAX - I'll need it to stay ahead of Kimsoo next year. The raw time battle is already lost, she can drive that FJB cart faster than I can drive my Mini.

Cheers,

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STF and HSR being close seems reasonable. H-Street and STF being as close as they are together does not. STF did get a fair bit harder vs. the other ST classes. Grain of salt and all that.

Agreed on numbers for 2015 changing a bunch.

Running a G or H Street car in an indexed class with other cars on r-comps will be a fools errand if using these 2014 pax numbers.
 
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interesting... I think I prefer DAX lol https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...lE&output=html

also, way worse than our regions HS * 0.98 adjustment for street tires
 
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One thing - if they're saying HS is 0.797, and HSR is .804, they're basically saying rcomps have like ~0.5s of a difference on a 60s course?
 
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Originally Posted by kyoo
One thing - if they're saying HS is 0.797, and HSR is .804, they're basically saying rcomps have like ~0.5s of a difference on a 60s course?
Ah, but at what temperature?

(It's an inexact science I reckon)

Pax vobiscum,

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Ah, but at what temperature?

(It's an inexact science I reckon)

Pax vobiscum,

Charlie
and surfaces.. but still
 
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Frankly, I think Rick is "gifting" people to use Hoo$iers in their last year for Stock/Street eligibility.

I fully believe Rick set the Street indexes thinking ahead to 2015 more so than worrying about upsetting the applecart in 2014. Doing PAX/RTP every year has to be one of the most thankless "jobs" someone brings upon themselves in all of the SCCA.
 
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Originally Posted by honda93
Frankly, I think Rick is "gifting" people to use Hoo$iers in their last year for Stock/Street eligibility.

I fully believe Rick set the Street indexes thinking ahead to 2015 more so than worrying about upsetting the applecart in 2014. Doing PAX/RTP every year has to be one of the most thankless "jobs" someone brings upon themselves in all of the SCCA.
that's exactly what I was thinking - or at the very least, he doesn't want to "punish" the remaining 2014 rcomp drivers.

Here's a couple quotes from him from scca forums:

Yes, for most areas the .975 multiplier seemed to work quite well. For some areas it ended up being way too easy. With a brand new Category, I didn't want it to start out with everything just handed to that Category of cars.
There is a lot of history for what was Stock Category, not so with the new Street Stock Category. I used as much "good" data as was available to me and I had to start somewhere. I think these factors represent a good starting point.


..

As said, most Regional events are run on asphalt. In that all of this is new, and new tires are coming in to play all of the time, I think it's going to take a (at least) another year before really good conclusions can be drawn. I'll certainly be keeping track.
so I don't think accuracy is just yet the goal for now
 
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