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I spend an hour and a half every day stuck between one hundred feet increments of stop lights. You couldn't give me a manual for free. Sure, I bet a manual MINI would be great flying around bends or tracking lap times, but for the other 363 days of the year I'll take an automatic.
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Only time a manual bothers me in traffic is when it really is the go 2 feet and stop. With a OS Giken clutch it gets tedious but that is the only time. As I have said for a long time the MINI auto sucks. It sucks because it feels like it drags out a clutch go from 1st to 2nd and it shifts too slow and way too hard for an autotragic.
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I drive and love driving manual trans vehicles even when I worked in Manhattan. Traffic has never bothered me. I used to own a 1976 Volare station wagon with a 4 speed manual while working a repair route that included Manhattan north of 60th Street and all of the Bronx. I live in Queens and sat in traffic for about four hours a day. I put 50,000 miles on that wagon in two years driving like that.
I now have 2007 Jeep Wrangler 4 dr with a 6 speed manual and my new to me 2008 MCSc 6 speed.
I don't mind driving an auto I just prefer a manual.
I now have 2007 Jeep Wrangler 4 dr with a 6 speed manual and my new to me 2008 MCSc 6 speed.
I don't mind driving an auto I just prefer a manual.
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Manuals are way more fun, and that was reason enough for me to get one. Automatics have some advantages on paper just like a Chevy Malibu will beat a MINI Cooper by-the-numbers in some categories, but in terms of fun factor, they are not even close if you ask me.
Still, I know sticks are slowly disappearing in the U.S., with take rates in the single digits for new car sales. MINI's are supposedly bucking the trend with 34% manual sales nationwide and 50% in New England. Who knows why that one dealer is lower - maybe regional biases or any number of factors.
I don't care what other people buy, but I hope sticks manage to survive so I can keep getting them without having to move to Italy :-)
Still, I know sticks are slowly disappearing in the U.S., with take rates in the single digits for new car sales. MINI's are supposedly bucking the trend with 34% manual sales nationwide and 50% in New England. Who knows why that one dealer is lower - maybe regional biases or any number of factors.
I don't care what other people buy, but I hope sticks manage to survive so I can keep getting them without having to move to Italy :-)
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One thing I've never mentioned is how much I respect your bravery and service to our country, but unfortunately, your consistently combative nature doesn't translate to NAM as well as you'd like.
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Yeah, we noticed how long you've been saying that...ad nauseum in every transmission thread... However, I'm wondering if the autos you've had experience with may have had problems, because the autos I've driven don't experience any of the symptoms that you're fabricating.
One thing I've never mentioned is how much I respect your bravery and service to our country, but unfortunately, your consistently combative nature doesn't translate to NAM as well as you'd like.
One thing I've never mentioned is how much I respect your bravery and service to our country, but unfortunately, your consistently combative nature doesn't translate to NAM as well as you'd like.
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Been in annoying traffic plenty times, nearly every day at my school, plenty of times on the highway, and more than enough times in new york city. The pressing of a clutch pedal in NO WAY aggravates me anywhere near as much as the traffic itself does. So for me that argument is completely irrelevant.
I don't get the hate for automatics, specifically because it all comes from manual owners. The crazy thing is you don't see automatic owners coming out saying how much better their cars are, all you see is manual owners coming out saying how bad they are. Give it a rest, it's their money, their car, simple as that. It makes you look pathetic rambling on and on about "autotragics" and how inferior they are. Seriously, it's just a car, grow up.
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So what's your point? It in no way aggravates you, do you suddenly speak for everyone? I guess I missed that memo. I wasn't making any argument, I was stating that my personal preference, because of the traffic I drive in, it makes more sense to me to have an automatic. You essentially made my own point. Thank you.
I don't get the hate for automatics, specifically because it all comes from manual owners. The crazy thing is you don't see automatic owners coming out saying how much better their cars are, all you see is manual owners coming out saying how bad they are. Give it a rest, it's their money, their car, simple as that. It makes you look pathetic rambling on and on about "autotragics" and how inferior they are. Seriously, it's just a car, grow up.
I don't get the hate for automatics, specifically because it all comes from manual owners. The crazy thing is you don't see automatic owners coming out saying how much better their cars are, all you see is manual owners coming out saying how bad they are. Give it a rest, it's their money, their car, simple as that. It makes you look pathetic rambling on and on about "autotragics" and how inferior they are. Seriously, it's just a car, grow up.
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So what's your point? It in no way aggravates you, do you suddenly speak for everyone? I guess I missed that memo. I wasn't making any argument, I was stating that my personal preference, because of the traffic I drive in, it makes more sense to me to have an automatic. You essentially made my own point. Thank you.
I don't get the hate for automatics, specifically because it all comes from manual owners. The crazy thing is you don't see automatic owners coming out saying how much better their cars are, all you see is manual owners coming out saying how bad they are. Give it a rest, it's their money, their car, simple as that. It makes you look pathetic rambling on and on about "autotragics" and how inferior they are. Seriously, it's just a car, grow up.
I don't get the hate for automatics, specifically because it all comes from manual owners. The crazy thing is you don't see automatic owners coming out saying how much better their cars are, all you see is manual owners coming out saying how bad they are. Give it a rest, it's their money, their car, simple as that. It makes you look pathetic rambling on and on about "autotragics" and how inferior they are. Seriously, it's just a car, grow up.
These threads are the reason why I dislike online automotive communities.
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Ahhh lerd.....
I said I am a stick shift snob. My Snobbery knows no bounds. The reason I think the way I do about automatics is because I feel that it causes people to be inattentive behind the wheel and oblivous to their surroundings. Most automatic drivers(not necessarily MINI owners) do not know how to handle a car. The automatic takes away a little bit more of the control of a car and slowly but surely their ability to drive. A lot of the distracted driver complaints that you seen could be mitigated if more people drove manual transmissions. If you like driving your automatic and it fits you lifestyle then stick with it but for me controlability, gas mileage, power transfer, and driving fun cause me to drive to drive a manual transmission.
I said I am a stick shift snob. My Snobbery knows no bounds. The reason I think the way I do about automatics is because I feel that it causes people to be inattentive behind the wheel and oblivous to their surroundings. Most automatic drivers(not necessarily MINI owners) do not know how to handle a car. The automatic takes away a little bit more of the control of a car and slowly but surely their ability to drive. A lot of the distracted driver complaints that you seen could be mitigated if more people drove manual transmissions. If you like driving your automatic and it fits you lifestyle then stick with it but for me controlability, gas mileage, power transfer, and driving fun cause me to drive to drive a manual transmission.
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Ahhh lerd.....
I said I am a stick shift snob. My Snobbery knows no bounds. The reason I think the way I do about automatics is because I feel that it causes people to be inattentive behind the wheel and oblivous to their surroundings. Most automatic drivers(not necessarily MINI owners) do not know how to handle a car. The automatic takes away a little bit more of the control of a car and slowly but surely their ability to drive. A lot of the distracted driver complaints that you seen could be mitigated if more people drove manual transmissions. If you like driving your automatic and it fits you lifestyle then stick with it but for me controlability, gas mileage, power transfer, and driving fun cause me to drive to drive a manual transmission.
I said I am a stick shift snob. My Snobbery knows no bounds. The reason I think the way I do about automatics is because I feel that it causes people to be inattentive behind the wheel and oblivous to their surroundings. Most automatic drivers(not necessarily MINI owners) do not know how to handle a car. The automatic takes away a little bit more of the control of a car and slowly but surely their ability to drive. A lot of the distracted driver complaints that you seen could be mitigated if more people drove manual transmissions. If you like driving your automatic and it fits you lifestyle then stick with it but for me controlability, gas mileage, power transfer, and driving fun cause me to drive to drive a manual transmission.
Fact remains, I'm just happy people are buying MINIs, automatic or manual. The manuals are fantastic and the automatics are equally fantastic. If you can't get behind that than maybe you need to rethink your car selection. I heard their are plenty of Civic forums that just love talking about their 4" fart cans.