F-1 Discussion Thread - 2005 Season
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Originally Posted by sndwave
... Jenson Button ... will be the highest paid driver in F1. Someone other than ME must see he has the mark of a champion. Only the car and the circumstance will be the factor, but that’s racing. He is a champion driver!!!
Originally Posted by sndwave
Does anyone other than me see this???
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Originally Posted by sndwave
Well wasn’t this an interesting season…
Peter Windsor’s comment about Jenson Button, I think was… let’s say I had a lot more respect for the guy until his comment about Jenson.
I have been talking about this kid for what now… 3 years I’ve been saying he’s getting no respect!!! AND now he’s still getting none. WHO THE EFF IS SATO!!! And why does he rank in press above Button?
Next year, HE, Jenson Button will be the highest paid driver in F1. Someone other than ME must see he has the mark of a champion. Only the car and the circumstance will be the factor, but that’s racing. He is a champion driver!!!
Does anyone other than me see this???
Peter Windsor’s comment about Jenson Button, I think was… let’s say I had a lot more respect for the guy until his comment about Jenson.
I have been talking about this kid for what now… 3 years I’ve been saying he’s getting no respect!!! AND now he’s still getting none. WHO THE EFF IS SATO!!! And why does he rank in press above Button?
Next year, HE, Jenson Button will be the highest paid driver in F1. Someone other than ME must see he has the mark of a champion. Only the car and the circumstance will be the factor, but that’s racing. He is a champion driver!!!
Does anyone other than me see this???
Who the Eff is Sato? A nobody with a bought ride. Nobody really expected anything from Sato in F1, so when he has any level of success it gets talked about. But Jenson should be ashamed that Sato ever outqualified him.
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Remember the definition of "Great White Hope"? Well the Brits have an equivalent in F1, JB. Not so much JB himself, but what he has come to represent, England's greatest hope for a World Champion. How many times must we read on and on about JB's supposed greatness? Damn near anytime one picks up AutoSport, AutoWeek (same Nigel Roebuck by-line), Motorsport, F1 Racing, etc. (well you get the idea) we are pummelled by the English press writers yearning for the next English champion. I've been careful not to mention Scotsmen (Jimmy Clark, Jackie Stewart and even DC) as the English press only embraces them in death or retirement - (God forbid a Welshman ever moves up from the coal carts to F1, it'd be about as bad as the Ulsterman himself, Eddie Irvine), but I digress. What England has is some kind of hero fixation for local born F1 piloti, be they super talented or merely poseurs in nomex. Not that I would ever equate JB with the latter, yet neither is he the former. JB will be at best a journeyman, a Martin Brundle , Mark Blundel type unless the gods and Honda create some magic akin to what Sir Frank Williams did last decade, when Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill and lets be honest here, a chimp impersonating JV won the world titles in an uber-car with more talent than that from the combined pool of its drivers.
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Originally Posted by sndwave
Next year, HE, Jenson Button will be the highest paid driver in F1. Someone other than ME must see he has the mark of a champion. Only the car and the circumstance will be the factor, but that’s racing. He is a champion driver!!!
Does anyone other than me see this???
Does anyone other than me see this???
Anyway, I like Jenson enough...however I do think he is overrated, but not as much as Mark Webber though.
Oh, and I've waited 4 years to say this...Congratulations Renault!!!!!!!!! What a brilliant season!!!!!!!!!!
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...perhaps Ferrari was asked to take a 'step aside' for a year so that they wouldn't destroy F1 with boredom...hey Schumie, and extra $$$ to lay down for a year??? Anything is possible with the F1 governing body...
Waive both the tire and engine rules. Niether helped to lower the cost, in fact these two rules made development more expensive.
Waive both the tire and engine rules. Niether helped to lower the cost, in fact these two rules made development more expensive.
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Renault did an awesome job this year
I really liked Alonso's post-race interview alluding to the fact that they had developments they did not implement because there was no need
How awesome would they have been with the changes
At least let Fisi test the new parts...he should have won Japan
I think Jensen is a very good driver and could be champion I hope he doesn't become a David Coulthard 
Sato before F1 destroyed the competition in F3 or something which was why he was so highly regarded plus he speaks English
I find it kind of odd that only Sato seemed to have all of the reliability issues the last few seasons and brainfade this season though.
I can't wait to see what Rubens can do next year without Schuey to support, although you have to admit Schuey did a lot better than Rubens this year just a lot of bad luck and sucky tyres
Doesn't M. Schumacher still make the most by a long shot? Something like 45 million pounds a year:impatient How much is Jenson going to make?
Getting rid of the one tyre rule does help Bridgestone and Ferrari, Williams, Toyota
I gotta give it up for McLaren though after what they went through last year to accomplish what they did this year. I thought Juan was the stupidest guy on the grid to want to go to McLaren but luck was kind of on his side, tennis injuries notwithstanding.
I really liked Alonso's post-race interview alluding to the fact that they had developments they did not implement because there was no need
How awesome would they have been with the changes
At least let Fisi test the new parts...he should have won Japan
I think Jensen is a very good driver and could be champion
I hope he doesn't become a David Coulthard Sato before F1 destroyed the competition in F3 or something which was why he was so highly regarded plus he speaks English
I find it kind of odd that only Sato seemed to have all of the reliability issues the last few seasons and brainfade this season though.
I can't wait to see what Rubens can do next year without Schuey to support, although you have to admit Schuey did a lot better than Rubens this year just a lot of bad luck and sucky tyres
Doesn't M. Schumacher still make the most by a long shot? Something like 45 million pounds a year
:impatient How much is Jenson going to make?Getting rid of the one tyre rule does help Bridgestone and Ferrari, Williams, Toyota
I gotta give it up for McLaren though after what they went through last year to accomplish what they did this year. I thought Juan was the stupidest guy on the grid to want to go to McLaren but luck was kind of on his side, tennis injuries notwithstanding.
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
I am here. Though my little blue friend did not work earlier tonight Mark Martin should have his sponsor removed.
Mark Martin should have his sponsor removed.: eek:Mark Martin is the guy in NASCAR who is going to retire this year and is the sentimental favorite to win the NEXTEL CUP.
I not really watching the races but I'm rooting for Tony Stewart
He genuinely seems to have changed his attitude, but winning does that Winning makes everything better
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Originally Posted by letsmotor
I not really watching the races but I'm rooting for Tony Stewart He genuinely seems to have changed his attitude, but winning does that
Winning makes everything better
He genuinely seems to have changed his attitude, but winning does that Winning makes everything better
Now if he would get his butt out of those DEATH WAGONS and back into a Cabron fiber bath tub.....
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great season
i enjoyed this season. more competition, a new champion. would like to see more from Juan-Pablo next season. upset that Toyota got rid of daMatta before he could prove himself in the new car.
i'm new here. nice to see there is a thread here about F1. i look forward to discussing next season with you all.
i'm new here. nice to see there is a thread here about F1. i look forward to discussing next season with you all.
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Spa in jeopardy (again)
Reported today on ITV.com
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...34416&PO=34416
Here's the text of the article
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...34416&PO=34416
Here's the text of the article
The future of the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps has been thrown into renewed doubt amid reports that the race promoter has hit financial trouble.
The 2005 race went ahead with the assistance of a 15 million euro loan from the regional Walloon government and it seems the promoter is unwilling or unable to use money from ticket sales to help repay it.
Should the existing promoter DDGP (Didier Defourney Grand Prix) fall by the wayside, the authorities will require a new financial partner to ensure the race’s survival.
“We hope we can keep it going,” a tourism ministry official told Reuters on Friday.
“We are talking with the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, but there could be other partners involved.”
Spa is one of Formula 1’s classic circuits and is renowned as a driver and fan favourite.
However, a lack of aggressive promotion, the relatively remote location of the track in Belgium’s Ardennes forest and a shortage of local amenities mean that it struggles to attract the sort of huge crowds that the likes of Melbourne and Montreal draw in.
Given the steep sanction fees payable to Bernie Ecclestone’s Formula One Management company in return for staging rights, it is extremely difficult for even the most successful promoters to break even without government largesse.
The Walloon government is a major shareholder in the Spa-Francorchamps track and will meet on November 8 to decide how to proceed.
The 2005 race went ahead with the assistance of a 15 million euro loan from the regional Walloon government and it seems the promoter is unwilling or unable to use money from ticket sales to help repay it.
Should the existing promoter DDGP (Didier Defourney Grand Prix) fall by the wayside, the authorities will require a new financial partner to ensure the race’s survival.
“We hope we can keep it going,” a tourism ministry official told Reuters on Friday.
“We are talking with the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, but there could be other partners involved.”
Spa is one of Formula 1’s classic circuits and is renowned as a driver and fan favourite.
However, a lack of aggressive promotion, the relatively remote location of the track in Belgium’s Ardennes forest and a shortage of local amenities mean that it struggles to attract the sort of huge crowds that the likes of Melbourne and Montreal draw in.
Given the steep sanction fees payable to Bernie Ecclestone’s Formula One Management company in return for staging rights, it is extremely difficult for even the most successful promoters to break even without government largesse.
The Walloon government is a major shareholder in the Spa-Francorchamps track and will meet on November 8 to decide how to proceed.
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Amazed how Bernie and Max (the Greedy weasels) purposefully destroy the economic viability of truly great venues by requiring ever greater payments to stage a GP. Just look around, Almost all of the "new" GP venues - Bahrain, Turkey, China are Government sponsored PR Schemes designed to promote the host nation's international prestige and increase awareness of how "open and progressive" these dictatorships are. Well, I'd better end my rant now before the OTP police shut me down.
Well, I'd better end my rant now before the OTP police shut me down.
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It would be an absolute crime if Spa was taken off of the calendar. It is quite simply the best track and the best race of the year, with Suzuka following a close second. These new Tilke circuits just don't cut it, except for Turkey which turned out to be really cool.
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Should the existing promoter DDGP (Didier Defourney Grand Prix) fall by the wayside, the authorities will require a new financial partner to ensure the race’s survival.
Or, the FIA could just subsidize the Spa race in the interest of its history and coolness.
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OK here is what Bernie and Max need to do in order to save Belgum...
Have everyoe but Ferrari pull off the grid at the end of the insertion lap. Then the fans jump into riot mode... Give the has been Schumi his only token win of 2006. Finally have JB & the Honda junior team foot the bill for the 2008 tickets.
Look what it for the USGP!
Have everyoe but Ferrari pull off the grid at the end of the insertion lap. Then the fans jump into riot mode... Give the has been Schumi his only token win of 2006. Finally have JB & the Honda junior team foot the bill for the 2008 tickets.
Look what it for the USGP!
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
OK here is what Bernie and Max need to do in order to save Belgum...
Have everyoe but Ferrari pull off the grid at the end of the insertion lap. Then the fans jump into riot mode... Give the has been Schumi his only token win of 2006. Finally have JB & the Honda junior team foot the bill for the 2008 tickets.
Look what it for the USGP!
Have everyoe but Ferrari pull off the grid at the end of the insertion lap. Then the fans jump into riot mode... Give the has been Schumi his only token win of 2006. Finally have JB & the Honda junior team foot the bill for the 2008 tickets.
Look what it for the USGP!
Oh, and regarding the "has been Schumi"...you're dreaming...
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Originally Posted by RenaultF1
So you really think that what happened this year has saved the USGP? Really? It still remains to be seen if anyone shows up in '06.
Oh, and regarding the "has been Schumi"...you're dreaming...
Oh, and regarding the "has been Schumi"...you're dreaming...
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Renault V10 does Queen
http://www.autoblog.com/entry/123400...4645/#comments
From the Renault V10 - a real swan song!
Posted Oct 23, 2005, 11:00 AM ET by Stuart Waterman
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To celebrate their 2005 F1 championship victory, and the last race for the V10 engines, the Renault team persuaded one of their V10’s to sing! The solo performance of the Queen classic “We are the Champions” was performed by one of Renault’s RS25 V10 engines at the teams dyno testing facility in France.
RS25 project leader Axel Plasse, pictured at right with his pride and joy, explained that making an engine “sing” is a fairly simple matter of finding the engine rpm that generates an exhaust sound of the right frequency for each musical note. The engine management system of the dyno is then programmed to manage engine rpm and duration to “sing the song.”
Freddy Mercury would be proud! The song is available for download at the Renault F1 Team website.
Posted Oct 23, 2005, 11:00 AM ET by Stuart Waterman
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To celebrate their 2005 F1 championship victory, and the last race for the V10 engines, the Renault team persuaded one of their V10’s to sing! The solo performance of the Queen classic “We are the Champions” was performed by one of Renault’s RS25 V10 engines at the teams dyno testing facility in France.RS25 project leader Axel Plasse, pictured at right with his pride and joy, explained that making an engine “sing” is a fairly simple matter of finding the engine rpm that generates an exhaust sound of the right frequency for each musical note. The engine management system of the dyno is then programmed to manage engine rpm and duration to “sing the song.”
Freddy Mercury would be proud! The song is available for download at the Renault F1 Team website.
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Originally Posted by adame
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And you think F1 cars look weird now...
From the folks at ITV.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...34425&PO=34425
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...34425&PO=34425
Formula 1’s governing body has unveiled a radical new aerodynamic concept which it believes will transform the quality of the racing, possibly as soon as 2007...The primary aim is to reduce the phenomenon known as ‘dirty air’ which makes it difficult for Formula 1 cars to follow each other closely and thus to overtake.
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everything looks good except the rear wings, but I guess I would just have to get used to them.
they would appear to be weakly held on or vibrate like crazy
maybe just get rid of the rear wing
ugly
they would appear to be weakly held on or vibrate like crazy
maybe just get rid of the rear wing
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Changes voted in for 2006...
Formula One will introduce a new qualifying format and revert to tyre changes for the start of next season after a positive meeting of the Formula One Commission in London on Monday.
A spokesman for the FIA confirmed that a knockout proposal is set to be introduced for qualifying and that the single tyre rule introduced this year will be scrapped after just one season.
It is understood that the qualifying format was voted in unanimously by the Commission while the return to tyre changes received some opposition but was carried through in the meeting. The banning of spare cars for 2006 and the end to third cars running in Friday practice sessions, was not accepted, however, due to opposition from many of the smaller teams who benefit from that ruling.
The knockout format for qualifying will see five cars drop out after 15 minutes then another five out after a second 15-minute session before the remaining cars battle for the top grid spots in a final 20 minutes. To retain the successful element that has mixed up grids this season the final ten cars will have to qualify carrying the amount of fuel with which they will start the race, bringing race strategy into the grid-deciding runs.
Tyre changes...good
, new knockout qualifying format...dunno?
A spokesman for the FIA confirmed that a knockout proposal is set to be introduced for qualifying and that the single tyre rule introduced this year will be scrapped after just one season.
It is understood that the qualifying format was voted in unanimously by the Commission while the return to tyre changes received some opposition but was carried through in the meeting. The banning of spare cars for 2006 and the end to third cars running in Friday practice sessions, was not accepted, however, due to opposition from many of the smaller teams who benefit from that ruling.
The knockout format for qualifying will see five cars drop out after 15 minutes then another five out after a second 15-minute session before the remaining cars battle for the top grid spots in a final 20 minutes. To retain the successful element that has mixed up grids this season the final ten cars will have to qualify carrying the amount of fuel with which they will start the race, bringing race strategy into the grid-deciding runs.
Tyre changes...good
, new knockout qualifying format...dunno?
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Good Lord, This Max character has got to go. Qualifying knock-out??!!! This sounds a little like a company that I know, They hire two persons for every open position, pit them against each other for three months, and fire the less productive/aggressive. Really does a lot for morale and loyalty. With every passing move FIA is driving the manufacturers towards setting up their own rival formula in '08.