F-1 Discussion Thread - 2005 Season
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I've never been a Kimi fan - his interviews suck the life out of me - but I found myself cheering him on at the end of the Japanese GP. That was an amazing drive through the field.
The McLaren is clearly the best car on the grid these days, but that shouldn't take anything away from Kimi's accomplishment.
The McLaren is clearly the best car on the grid these days, but that shouldn't take anything away from Kimi's accomplishment.
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Originally Posted by bee1000n
I've never been a Kimi fan - his interviews suck the life out of me - but I found myself cheering him on at the end of the Japanese GP. That was an amazing drive through the field.
The McLaren is clearly the best car on the grid these days, but that shouldn't take anything away from Kimi's accomplishment.
The McLaren is clearly the best car on the grid these days, but that shouldn't take anything away from Kimi's accomplishment.
IMHO Kimi's biggest problem during the interviews is that he barely moves his lips...
Oh, and GO RENAULT!!!!!
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IMHO Kimi's biggest problem during the interviews is that he barely moves his lips...
I wonder how his countrymen feel about his speech. He is probably more animated and comfortable...I mean when the guy parties, he really parties...according to the media reports
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FIA cracking down!
http://www.noticias.info/asp/aspComu...d=107294&src=0
FORMULA 1 – McLAREN MERCEDES: VILLENEUVE PUNISHED FOR JUAN PABLO INCIDENT
/noticias.info/ Stewards have given Jacques Villeneuve a 25 second penalty to his race time after finding him responsible for Juan Pablo Montoya’s crash, which brought out the safety car at the end of lap one of the Japanese Grand Prix.
Villeneuve ran wide at the final corner, forcing Juan Pablo off the circuit and ending his race.
After examining video evidence and showing it to both drivers and their team managers, the stewards decided that Villeneuve had forced Montoya off the track. His subsequent penalty drops him to 12th place in the results.
http://www.noticias.info/asp/aspComu...d=107298&src=0
FORMULA 1 – McLAREN MERCEDES: VILLENEUVE PUNISHED FOR JUAN PABLO INCIDENT
/noticias.info/ Stewards have given Jacques Villeneuve a 25 second penalty to his race time after finding him responsible for Juan Pablo Montoya’s crash, which brought out the safety car at the end of lap one of the Japanese Grand Prix.
Villeneuve ran wide at the final corner, forcing Juan Pablo off the circuit and ending his race.
After examining video evidence and showing it to both drivers and their team managers, the stewards decided that Villeneuve had forced Montoya off the track. His subsequent penalty drops him to 12th place in the results.
FORMULA 1 – BAR HONDA: Sato excluded from Japanese GP results
/noticias.info/ Takuma Sato has been excluded from the Japanese GP after being called in front of the stewards after a driving incident with Italian Toyota driver Jarno Trulli during the race. The pair collided on lap ten when Takuma attempted a move down the inside of the Toyota.
In a statement, the FIA said: "The Stewards viewed the video of the incident and presented the same to Takuma Sato and his Team Manager Ron Meadows and independently to Jarno Trulli and his team manager Richard Cregan.
"Having heard both parties the stewards independently conclude that Takuma Sato was involved in an incident 'forcing the driver of car number 16 off the track' and therefore reprimand Sato and order that he be excluded from the results."
/noticias.info/ Takuma Sato has been excluded from the Japanese GP after being called in front of the stewards after a driving incident with Italian Toyota driver Jarno Trulli during the race. The pair collided on lap ten when Takuma attempted a move down the inside of the Toyota.
In a statement, the FIA said: "The Stewards viewed the video of the incident and presented the same to Takuma Sato and his Team Manager Ron Meadows and independently to Jarno Trulli and his team manager Richard Cregan.
"Having heard both parties the stewards independently conclude that Takuma Sato was involved in an incident 'forcing the driver of car number 16 off the track' and therefore reprimand Sato and order that he be excluded from the results."
Last edited by adame; Oct 11, 2005 at 10:39 AM. Reason: Found more news
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STLMINI: Very funny!
Back to the Sato/Villeneuve penalties issue:
From the official F1 website (formula1.com), the descriptions are as such:
"Sato had forced Trulli off the track"
"Villeneuve had forced Montoya off the track"
Same description, yet JV gets a (very odd to my mind) penalty of 25 seconds being added to his race time, and Sato gets his results entirely excluded. I assume Sato's more severe punishment reflects the fact that he was already punished for crashing into MSchu in Belgium; he's a repeat offender.
For the Belgium incident, though, Sato got a 10-spot grid penalty in the following race. So shouldn't JV have received the same penalty for his crash with Montoya in Japan?
Back to the Sato/Villeneuve penalties issue:
From the official F1 website (formula1.com), the descriptions are as such:
"Sato had forced Trulli off the track"
"Villeneuve had forced Montoya off the track"
Same description, yet JV gets a (very odd to my mind) penalty of 25 seconds being added to his race time, and Sato gets his results entirely excluded. I assume Sato's more severe punishment reflects the fact that he was already punished for crashing into MSchu in Belgium; he's a repeat offender.
For the Belgium incident, though, Sato got a 10-spot grid penalty in the following race. So shouldn't JV have received the same penalty for his crash with Montoya in Japan?
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Considering how it effected Villeneuve, the punishment handed down from the FIA is, IMO, a slap on the hand when you consider what the actual implications were that resulted from his actions (what if Montoya would have remained in the race?)
I think a monetary fine would have been more appropriate. Taking time away from him that doesn't mean anything? What kind of deterant is that?
I think a monetary fine would have been more appropriate. Taking time away from him that doesn't mean anything? What kind of deterant is that?
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Thinking about 2006
I miss the 2 hour block with 12 laps max per driver from 3-4 years ago. So I would suggest the following changes to qualifying.
Friday: A 2 hour block MANDITORY 25 laps per driver. Note Fastest time. <25 laps = Manditory 10 positions deduction from race result.
Saturday: Re-fule for race strategy and put on race tires. One lap Best time gets pole. Order determined by Friday fastest times. No time Saturday Manditory 5 positions deduction from race results.
Technically you would get two races per race weekend!
No offense to Kimi and McClaren fans, but starting from the back of the grid is not even a slap on the wrist!
Friday: A 2 hour block MANDITORY 25 laps per driver. Note Fastest time. <25 laps = Manditory 10 positions deduction from race result.
Saturday: Re-fule for race strategy and put on race tires. One lap Best time gets pole. Order determined by Friday fastest times. No time Saturday Manditory 5 positions deduction from race results.
Technically you would get two races per race weekend!
No offense to Kimi and McClaren fans, but starting from the back of the grid is not even a slap on the wrist!
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
No offense to Kimi and McClaren fans, but starting from the back of the grid is not even a slap on the wrist!
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Considering 2005 was the most competitve F1 season in years, I don't think now is the time to be changing things (except for the fact that switching to V8s will change more or less everything).
I agree that qualifying is more exciting if there are more cars on the track at once, but I think the TV guys need to step up to make it work better.
In the past, it was a crapshoot whether or not they would have the cameras on the fastest driver on the track at the end of the session. If they could develop a timing graphic to keep track of the top 5 cars on track at any given time, with real-time comparisons between them as they reached the end of each sector, viewers might get a better idea of the on-track battle.
Sad to say, but NASCAR broadcasts are miles ahead of F1 in terms of technology in this regard.
I agree that qualifying is more exciting if there are more cars on the track at once, but I think the TV guys need to step up to make it work better.
In the past, it was a crapshoot whether or not they would have the cameras on the fastest driver on the track at the end of the session. If they could develop a timing graphic to keep track of the top 5 cars on track at any given time, with real-time comparisons between them as they reached the end of each sector, viewers might get a better idea of the on-track battle.
Sad to say, but NASCAR broadcasts are miles ahead of F1 in terms of technology in this regard.
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from what i understand, speed tv doesn't have any control over what is shown. the FIA broadcasts from each track and Hobbs, Varsha, and Matchett are watching exactly what we see here in the US. i think that's why nascar coverage is better.
as an example, a couple times last week in japan, the cameras were on BAR and Toyota while there was significant action occuring other places on the track.
i've heard (and i don't recall where) that there will be multiple feeds next year that Speed TV will be able to choose from. that would make it a lot better for sure.
as an example, a couple times last week in japan, the cameras were on BAR and Toyota while there was significant action occuring other places on the track.
i've heard (and i don't recall where) that there will be multiple feeds next year that Speed TV will be able to choose from. that would make it a lot better for sure.
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This is one aspect that FOM is working on heavily. They will hopefully take over producing every race instead of letting a host broadcaster do it, ala this weekend's "Sato GP". NASCAR is a bit different because all races are in the US and virtually all the drivers are USA as well. This leads to a fairly even broadcast (I assume, I don't watch NASCAR, haven't for 10 years).
If FOM can step up the TV coverage, F1 will be better than ever to watch!
I agree this year has been exciting, but I still hate qualifiying with race fuel. It's so much more fun to watch them all go out almost empty and really push. I also hope they get rid of the stupid one-tire rule next year. There are so many other ways to control costs and make the races much more exciting. If I want to see a driver conserve his tires for the whole race, I'll watch ALMS (which I will watch this weekend).
Just my $0.02...
If FOM can step up the TV coverage, F1 will be better than ever to watch!
I agree this year has been exciting, but I still hate qualifiying with race fuel. It's so much more fun to watch them all go out almost empty and really push. I also hope they get rid of the stupid one-tire rule next year. There are so many other ways to control costs and make the races much more exciting. If I want to see a driver conserve his tires for the whole race, I'll watch ALMS (which I will watch this weekend).
Just my $0.02...
Originally Posted by STLMINI
from what i understand, speed tv doesn't have any control over what is shown. the FIA broadcasts from each track and Hobbs, Varsha, and Matchett are watching exactly what we see here in the US. i think that's why nascar coverage is better.
as an example, a couple times last week in japan, the cameras were on BAR and Toyota while there was significant action occuring other places on the track.
i've heard (and i don't recall where) that there will be multiple feeds next year that Speed TV will be able to choose from. that would make it a lot better for sure.
as an example, a couple times last week in japan, the cameras were on BAR and Toyota while there was significant action occuring other places on the track.
i've heard (and i don't recall where) that there will be multiple feeds next year that Speed TV will be able to choose from. that would make it a lot better for sure.
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Anybody remember "Bernievision"? When I lived in Europe (where F1 is treated like the NFL), We could watch either the no commercial interruption broadcasts via EuroSport or local coverage, plus from the French Canal+ network, we could subscribe and choose between some 12 - 15 "channels" including in-car pick your favourite driver and see the race from his perspective type of viewing. It was an additional subscription, and was somewhere near $20 per race, but what a wonderful choice to have. 
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I think a LOT of F1 fans here would pay $10-20 per race to get that kind of coverage!
Originally Posted by MGCMAN
Anybody remember "Bernievision"? When I lived in Europe (where F1 is treated like the NFL), We could watch either the no commercial interruption broadcasts via EuroSport or local coverage, plus from the French Canal+ network, we could subscribe and choose between some 12 - 15 "channels" including in-car pick your favourite driver and see the race from his perspective type of viewing. It was an additional subscription, and was somewhere near $20 per race, but what a wonderful choice to have.
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Originally Posted by MGCMAN
Anybody remember "Bernievision"?
They did add the graphic showing one driver's lap times in relation to the man ahead of him this year, which I think is a good addition. It helps me see how much faster one driver is than another.
If they could implement that by sector times during a multi-car qualifying session, I think they'd be on to something.
(Also, I didn't mean to imply that Speed had anything to do with the visual portion of the broadcast.)
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Originally Posted by Redbird73
I think a LOT of F1 fans here would pay $10-20 per race to get that kind of coverage!
what the heck are we gonna do after the season is over? hello! playstation, EA Sports! how about F1 2005 in the states! hello!
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Originally Posted by bee1000n
Considering 2005 was the most competitve F1 season in years, I don't think now is the time to be changing things (except for the fact that switching to V8s will change more or less everything).
I agree that qualifying is more exciting if there are more cars on the track at once, but I think the TV guys need to step up to make it work better.
In the past, it was a crapshoot whether or not they would have the cameras on the fastest driver on the track at the end of the session. If they could develop a timing graphic to keep track of the top 5 cars on track at any given time, with real-time comparisons between them as they reached the end of each sector, viewers might get a better idea of the on-track battle.
Sad to say, but NASCAR broadcasts are miles ahead of F1 in terms of technology in this regard.
I agree that qualifying is more exciting if there are more cars on the track at once, but I think the TV guys need to step up to make it work better.
In the past, it was a crapshoot whether or not they would have the cameras on the fastest driver on the track at the end of the session. If they could develop a timing graphic to keep track of the top 5 cars on track at any given time, with real-time comparisons between them as they reached the end of each sector, viewers might get a better idea of the on-track battle.
Sad to say, but NASCAR broadcasts are miles ahead of F1 in terms of technology in this regard.
I agree that F1 is notorius for local broad casters featuring local drivers. Heck even Speed had a big brew ha ha when American drivers are in F1 cars Remember Sara Fisher's 3 laps at 60% throttle in the McCLaren? Scott Speed in the third car?
Putting a camera in all cars would be the right way to go. Make it Mantitory like the camera housing. Heck even make it a standardized FIA part. Then all the local TV director would need to do is have the transmitter's frequency for each car. The real limiting factor then becomes the need for 20 different recording tracks so that they could jump to the appropriate car at the appropriate time. This is something that Bernie and Max could mandate that the local TV would have to be able to record footage from all 20 cars for the entire race distance.
Impplementing sector times depends mostly on the track. Som places only have the mantitory 3 timing loops in the track to get scoring. Indy has what about a bazillion timing loops on the oval and half a bazillion timing loops on the road course.
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More finality than one could ever fathom in one weekend...Shanghai '05
Final race of 2005,
Final race for Sauber,
Final race for Minardi,
Final race for Jordan,
Final race for BAR,
Final race for Barrichello at Ferrari,
...and possibly the final race in F1 for Villeneuve...any more?
Final race of 2005,
Final race for Sauber,
Final race for Minardi,
Final race for Jordan,
Final race for BAR,
Final race for Barrichello at Ferrari,
...and possibly the final race in F1 for Villeneuve...any more?
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Originally Posted by COOPERation
Final race of 2005,
Final race for Sauber,
Final race for Minardi,
Final race for Jordan,
Final race for BAR,
Final race for Barrichello at Ferrari,
...and possibly the final race in F1 for Villeneuve...any more?
Final race for Sauber,
Final race for Minardi,
Final race for Jordan,
Final race for BAR,
Final race for Barrichello at Ferrari,
...and possibly the final race in F1 for Villeneuve...any more?
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Final race of the V10 engine, I wish they would have stuck with it instead of changing. Only F1 would change to a whole new engine design to "save money"! Goodbye V10, we'll miss you!
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Next Monday will truly be a SAD day. That glorious sound will never again be heard. It is a sound that will always be a part of my DNA. Never again to hear that magical sound of a V-10 turning 19,000 RPM. Twenty of them at the USGP changed Indianapolis FOREVER.
I have been to two Indy 500 races one in the turbo era of 2.8 liter V-8s and 4 liter V-6 Stock blocks. The other in the IRL era. Each sound was distinct and permanently engrained in my memmory, But no sound will ever replace the 3.0 liter V-10 Formula one engine in my mind.
Another sound I miss was the 7.0 liter 2 cam Jaguar V12 used in FIA and IMSA racing.
I have been to two Indy 500 races one in the turbo era of 2.8 liter V-8s and 4 liter V-6 Stock blocks. The other in the IRL era. Each sound was distinct and permanently engrained in my memmory, But no sound will ever replace the 3.0 liter V-10 Formula one engine in my mind.
Another sound I miss was the 7.0 liter 2 cam Jaguar V12 used in FIA and IMSA racing.
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I second that DrDiff! The v10's will be sorely missed.
The V8's do have potential though. Here's a video of the new Cosworth V8 doing 20,000rpm on the test stand. Next year's USGP will be very interesting, to hear these new motors.
http://www.cosworth.com/downloads/co...ie5_medium.mpg
The V8's do have potential though. Here's a video of the new Cosworth V8 doing 20,000rpm on the test stand. Next year's USGP will be very interesting, to hear these new motors.
http://www.cosworth.com/downloads/co...ie5_medium.mpg
Originally Posted by DrDiff
Next Monday will truly be a SAD day. That glorious sound will never again be heard. It is a sound that will always be a part of my DNA. Never again to hear that magical sound of a V-10 turning 19,000 RPM. Twenty of them at the USGP changed Indianapolis FOREVER.
I have been to two Indy 500 races one in the turbo era of 2.8 liter V-8s and 4 liter V-6 Stock blocks. The other in the IRL era. Each sound was distinct and permanently engrained in my memmory, But no sound will ever replace the 3.0 liter V-10 Formula one engine in my mind.
Another sound I miss was the 7.0 liter 2 cam Jaguar V12 used in FIA and IMSA racing.
I have been to two Indy 500 races one in the turbo era of 2.8 liter V-8s and 4 liter V-6 Stock blocks. The other in the IRL era. Each sound was distinct and permanently engrained in my memmory, But no sound will ever replace the 3.0 liter V-10 Formula one engine in my mind.
Another sound I miss was the 7.0 liter 2 cam Jaguar V12 used in FIA and IMSA racing.
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Do I remember correctly?
Back in the olden days of F1, I seem to remember a different number of cylinders in different cars running in the same race. Is this true? The Ferrari was a 12 with the long snakey white exhaust pipes, a sound you could hear on the other side of the track. Occasionally one will surface in a vintage race. Any others out there remember exactly?
Any others out there remember exactly?