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Go from 2012 tuned r60 to f60 jcw?

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Go from 2012 tuned r60 to f60 jcw?

My 2012 r60 has manic stage 2 and all the parts needed to run it like intercooler, catless dp and so on but I was wondering how would it stack up vs a stock f60 jcw?

​​​​​If I do get the jcw f60 I don't think I will mod it as heavily, make a tune and that's it.
is there anyone here who moved from a modded r60 to f60 jcw?

Other cars I'm looking at are the a4 allroad and gla 45 amg.
Ride height is important for me for getting out of the car but also hate driving big lethargic SUVs.
Am in no rush to change cars just want to hear people's opinions.
Would be wild to see something like a raised wrx sti, similar to how the Volvo s60 cross country is.
 

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I have some thoughts on this. The F60 is supposedly much more reliable than the R60 and the F60 is much nicer with a more compliant ride. The GLA is cramped, not as nice as the Mini, but it is faster. I see mostly upside on the JCW, but are you willing to pay the price?
 
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I have a stage 4 R60 Countryman and it’s quick but the F60 makes 60hp and 90tq with just a tune. I work on a lot of new F series and they respond really well to tuning. Also the new 8 speed transmission is awesome

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I've been toying with doing a tune - other than Dinan what is out there off the shelf?
 
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I would NOT recommend getting an A4 unless the new ones are better quality than the 2013 model.

We had a 2013 and it was incredibly boring (even with a manual transmission and AWD) and just felt incredibly cheap. I was VERY happy to get rid of it after only a year.
 
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I've been toying with doing a tune - other than Dinan what is out there off the shelf?
Just curious, why not Dinan?
 
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:29 AM
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Just curious, why not Dinan?
There have been mixed reviews on "butt dyno" improvements.
I'm also not a fan of there only being 1 option - competition is a good thing.
I've also had much more experience with true ECU tunes vs piggy back tunes. So wondered who out there is writing software...
 
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Old 02-01-2019, 12:09 PM
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There have been mixed reviews on "butt dyno" improvements.
I'm also not a fan of there only being 1 option - competition is a good thing.
I've also had much more experience with true ECU tunes vs piggy back tunes. So wondered who out there is writing software...
I’ve been reading quite a few things recently about Dinan an it appears a LOT of folks are very unhappy. From bunk units to them not honoring the supposed warranty and some other issues with customer service and stuff too. Talk to Mario RPM is a great tune, and I’ve heard through the grapevine that they may be developing a new 3-mode tune for the F-series. A guy in my club is going to be a test car for it with his JCW possibly.
 
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I have a stage 4 R60 Countryman and it’s quick but the F60 makes 60hp and 90tq with just a tune. I work on a lot of new F series and they respond really well to tuning. Also the new 8 speed transmission is awesome

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good to know
 
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We have both!

A 2012 r60 with a Maniac stage 2, catless dp, magnaflow catback, and NM CAI. It sounds awesome and yes, in Sport mode, it definitely is much quicker than stock.

I have a 2018 F60 with a Dinan Elite. The tuning device definitely changed the driving experience. Keep in mind the Dinan Elite simply fools the ecu to thinking the car is running at a higher altitude. It was a good update for mine - I only use 93 Octane gas.

My F60 is much faster than the R60. It is also so much more refined in terms of drive-ability. That said, the R60 seems more "raw."
 
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Guess I got some decisions to make in the next year or so. Just love the size of the r60 but more power interest me more. It is me or the r60s were more popular than the f60 at NAM? Don't see many modification posts
 
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Countrymans are not fast. I'd consider another vehicle if you want "Fast"
 
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Guess I got some decisions to make in the next year or so. Just love the size of the r60 but more power interest me more. It is me or the r60s were more popular than the f60 at NAM? Don't see many modification posts
The R60 was out for 7 years and the F60 has only been out for around 3 years. Also more second owners start modifying these cars.

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I went from a 2012 R60 Countryman with Burger Motorsports N18 JB+ to a 2018 F60 Countryman JCW. It's bigger and heavier but its also faster and handles much better. Documentation says 228hp 258tq stock. The transmission (8 speed auto) is also way better. Sticker price is ridiculous ($45,000) . I found mine pre-owned on CarGuru for $33,000 with 14,000miles. Look around on CarGuru don't pay stickerprice.
 
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Does anyone care that the F60 is horrible to look at? And they got rid of the speedometer in the middle that Mini has been known for? Or the fact that the interior was made by someone with zero imagination. I brought my R60 in for maintenance and drove an F60 for a couple days. I couldn't wait to get my car back. No character at all in my opinion and very un-Mini like. Might as well just be a Subaru Forester. Sorry, that was harsh but I don't think the same people buy both of these cars. I would never buy an F60.
 

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Old 02-25-2019, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jwanck11 View Post
We have both!

A 2012 r60 with a Maniac stage 2, catless dp, magnaflow catback, and NM CAI. It sounds awesome and yes, in Sport mode, it definitely is much quicker than stock.

I have a 2018 F60 with a Dinan Elite. The tuning device definitely changed the driving experience. Keep in mind the Dinan Elite simply fools the ecu to thinking the car is running at a higher altitude. It was a good update for mine - I only use 93 Octane gas.

My F60 is much faster than the R60. It is also so much more refined in terms of drive-ability. That said, the R60 seems more "raw."
How is your F60 much faster? Your R60 had about 230hp. The new F60 weighs up to 400lbs more than the R60 and the F60 JCW has 228hp? Are you sure it is much faster?
 
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Old 02-25-2019, 02:08 PM
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I don't think the same people buy both of these cars.
I have them both - and I like both of them very much.

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Are you sure it is much faster?
Yes, it is MUCH faster ... not by a little bit, but by a lot. It also handles MUCH better and is MUCH more refined in every way you can refine a car.

It's all good that you have a preference ... and it might be best to keep it at that.

 
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Ok.
 

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Originally Posted by Jwanck11 View Post
I have them both - and I like both of them very much.



Yes, it is MUCH faster ... not by a little bit, but by a lot. It also handles MUCH better and is MUCH more refined in every way you can refine a car.

It's all good that you have a preference ... and it might be best to keep it at that.
Again, how? The HP/Weight ratio doesn't support those claims. Is it the gearing? Are we talking just 0-60? It appears the 228 HP F60 JCW does the jaunt in 5.8 - 6.2 depending on what magazine you look at. That is quicker than the 208 HP R60 JCW of course. Figuring your 230 HP R60 probably did it in 6.4 - 6.5? Interesting...because you have about the same HP but a couple hundred pounds less in the R60. Oh right, I forgot you have the Dinan in there. So we aren't comparing stock to modified, we are comparing modified to modified and above JCW with the DInan. Also, I agree, I was overly opinionated and for that, I apologize. The cars are so different, its hard to believe someone could like the styling of both. Inside and outside. Maybe it was because I had the standard Countryman and not the S. Lastly, the fact that the new Countryman plays exhaust noise through the speakers is what truly lost me.
 

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Yeah, I turned off the exhaust noise - and had to do it in my 2016 Ecoboost F150, too. It's very, very annoying.

The cars are very different and very cool each in their own right.

Yes, both of our cars are modified - the R60 more so, but the F60 is quicker not only 0-60, but handles considerably better too meaning I can smoke the R60 in a real world driving test.
 
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This is the 2nd time someone has said the F60 is MUCH faster and handles MUCH better.

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I went from a 2012 R60 Countryman with Burger Motorsports N18 JB+ to a 2018 F60 Countryman JCW. It's bigger and heavier but its also faster and handles much better. Documentation says 228hp 258tq stock. The transmission (8 speed auto) is also way better. Sticker price is ridiculous ($45,000) . I found mine pre-owned on CarGuru for $33,000 with 14,000miles. Look around on CarGuru don't pay stickerprice.
Below is the 2017 All4S versus the 2011 All4S. How exactly is it faster and how does it handle better? Not trying to start a flame war, but you can't just say it handles much better and is much faster when it actually isn't. Bold designates the winner in each respective category or a tie.

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2017 All4S vs. 2011 All4S
0-60 = 7.4 0-60 = 7.3
1/4 Mile = 15.7 1/4 Mile = 15.7
Braking = 129 ft Braking = 113 ft
Lat. Grip = .83 Lat Grip = .86
MT Figure 8 = 27.2mph @ .63g Figure 8 = 26.9mph @ .64g

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2011 All4S 2017 All4S
Zero to 60 mph: 7.0 sec 0-60 mph: 7.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 19.6 sec Zero to 100 mph: 20.2 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 34.4 sec Zero to 120 mph: 34.5 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 8.1 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.7 sec @ 90 mph Standing ¼-mile: 15.5 sec @ 90 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 134 mph Top speed (drag limited, C/D est): 135 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft Braking, 70-0 mph: 176 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.89 gRoadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g

 

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no offense taken. However, my statement was about the F60 JCW, your chart does not show JCW results. As you know the JCW has 228hp and 258tq.
 
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no offense taken. However, my statement was about the F60 JCW, your chart does not show JCW results. As you know the JCW has 228hp and 258tq.
20 more HP and about 400lbs heavier than the R60 JCW
The F60's tune potential seems higher than the R60 however.
 

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I'm no expert on the F60, but I do own an F56 JCW and an R60 CMS All4, both 2015 model year cars. I absolutely love both of these MINIs....When shopping last summer I did look at a few F60's and discuss them with my MINI Advisor (but I haven't driven an F60). I know about the more "refined" feel of the F56 (which I assume the F60 is similar), but for this owner I still think the R60 is a great car for the money, and it certainly does look better than the F60....the F60 is BIG! The R60 is more raw, as some have said. It really all gets down to personal taste and how much you are willing to spend.

To the original poster, if you go for a new F60 JCW you will definitely be in the $50k range....for that kind of money it may be worth searching other manufacturers.
 
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