F55/F56 MINI Peabody - special on JCW pack?
#27
02-22-2019, 04:19 PM
Seems pretty clear to me that the pro exhaust is not going to pass the new CA laws. But I think it's really going to come down to the discretion of the officer, which is super annoying. Guess I'll keep the valve closed for a while, see how things shake out...
...Not that it means some dealers aren't still selling them!
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=27150
...Not that it means some dealers aren't still selling them!
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=27150
ARTICLE 2. Exhaust Systems [27150 - 27159]
( Article 2 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )27150.
(a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
#28
02-22-2019, 07:05 PM
(a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
#29
02-22-2019, 07:16 PM
5th Gear
I have the Pro Exhaust on my '19 JCW. The new law in CA was passed in 2018. It came into effect 1/01/19. I find it really hard to believe that my exhaust would be illegal in 2019. "If you heard it on the internet, it must be true".
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02-22-2019, 07:49 PM
#31
02-22-2019, 11:52 PM
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&division=12.&t itle=&part=&chapter=5.&article=2.
Nah, read it yourself. It's under 27150.(a) " no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device."
The JCW Pro exhaust is a valved exhaust which has a bypass for the muffler.
Nah, read it yourself. It's under 27150.(a) " no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device."
The JCW Pro exhaust is a valved exhaust which has a bypass for the muffler.
#34
02-23-2019, 08:38 AM
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...r=5.&article=2.
Nah, read it yourself. It's under 27150.(a) " no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device."
The JCW Pro exhaust is a valved exhaust which has a bypass for the muffler.
Nah, read it yourself. It's under 27150.(a) " no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device."
The JCW Pro exhaust is a valved exhaust which has a bypass for the muffler.
It can be sold in California.
Its illegal for a registered car to drive with one.
As I mentioned earlier it’s a 1959 law that was turned into a fine
rather than a fixit ticket in 2019.
As as long as the cutout isnt open, it’s not technically illegal.
We don’t have mechanical inspections here.
#35
02-23-2019, 10:49 AM
#36
02-24-2019, 10:54 PM
A proper ECU flash will get you a whole lot more power for less than half of what you paid. Just sayin'.
#38
02-25-2019, 01:06 AM
Nah, I'm not missing any point. Cooper said, "If you have the money to spend you will not get more thrill from your MINI then installing this upgrade". Full stop. Yes, they mentioned the tuning kit is under warranty bu they didn't say it's the most thrill you can get under warranty. And even if they did the Dinan Elite gets you more power and torque while staying under warranty.
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02-25-2019, 12:48 PM
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New exhaust laws since January 2019:
Assembly Bill 1824 went into effect in January 2019. This new legislation does not make California vehicle exhaust noise laws more strict. Instead, the Bill only makes it mandatory for police officers to issue immediate tickets to offenders.
AB 1824 enables law enforcement to issue immediate fines for violating exhaust levels. Prior to 2019 police officers issued so-called “fix it” tickets, enabling you to fix your vehicle’s exhaust system within 30 days, provide proof, and avoid paying fines. As of 2019 fines are mandatory, and can range upwards of $1,000.
California Vehicle Code § 27150 – 27153 (2017)Vehicle Code 21750. Adequate muffler required
]27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
Vehicle Code 27151. Modification of exhaust systems
No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.In summary, all cars and other motor vehicles in California must be equipped with a muffler, and any exhaust modifications must not be designed to increase the exhaust noise above 95 dbA.
Assembly Bill 1824 went into effect in January 2019. This new legislation does not make California vehicle exhaust noise laws more strict. Instead, the Bill only makes it mandatory for police officers to issue immediate tickets to offenders.
AB 1824 enables law enforcement to issue immediate fines for violating exhaust levels. Prior to 2019 police officers issued so-called “fix it” tickets, enabling you to fix your vehicle’s exhaust system within 30 days, provide proof, and avoid paying fines. As of 2019 fines are mandatory, and can range upwards of $1,000.
California Vehicle Code § 27150 – 27153 (2017)Vehicle Code 21750. Adequate muffler required
]27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
Vehicle Code 27151. Modification of exhaust systems
No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.In summary, all cars and other motor vehicles in California must be equipped with a muffler, and any exhaust modifications must not be designed to increase the exhaust noise above 95 dbA.
27150.
Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local governmental authority having jurisdiction.
(Amended by Stats. 1977, Ch. 558.)27150.1.
No person engaged in a business that involves the selling of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.=leftA violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local governmental authority having jurisdiction.
(Amended by Stats. 1977, Ch. 558.)27150.1.
No person engaged in a business that involves the selling of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.=leftA violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
27150.7.
A court may dismiss any action in which a person is prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or 27151 if a certificate of compliance has been issued by a station pursuant to Section 27150.2, or if the defendant had reasonable grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
(Amended by Stats. 2002, Ch. 569, Sec. 4. Effective January 1, 2003.)27151.
(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.=left(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
(Amended by Stats. 2001, Ch. 92, Sec. 10. Effective January 1, 2002.)
A court may dismiss any action in which a person is prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or 27151 if a certificate of compliance has been issued by a station pursuant to Section 27150.2, or if the defendant had reasonable grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
(Amended by Stats. 2002, Ch. 569, Sec. 4. Effective January 1, 2003.)27151.
(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.=left(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
(Amended by Stats. 2001, Ch. 92, Sec. 10. Effective January 1, 2002.)
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02-25-2019, 01:17 PM
(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.=left(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
(Amended by Stats. 2001, Ch. 92, Sec. 10. Effective January 1, 2002.)
How many cops do you think have a sound level meter in their patrol car let alone know how to check loudness via SAE J1169?
IT CANT BE DONE!!!
You need to rev your car to 3/4 its max revs (technically 3/4 max HP rating), modern cars can't, due to its neutral rev limiter!!!
Also a STOCK F56S muffler at high idle is LOUDER than 95dB, I know, being a recording engineer, I have my personal meter!!
Thats why most cops in LA don't give a rats ***.
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02-25-2019, 03:23 PM
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How many cops do you think have a sound level meter in their patrol car let alone know how to check loudness via SAE J1169?
IT CANT BE DONE!!!
You need to rev your car to 3/4 its max revs (technically 3/4 max HP rating), modern cars can't, due to its neutral rev limiter!!!
Also a STOCK F56S muffler at high idle is LOUDER than 95dB, I know, being a recording engineer, I have my personal meter!!
Thats why most cops in LA don't give a rats a**.
IT CANT BE DONE!!!
You need to rev your car to 3/4 its max revs (technically 3/4 max HP rating), modern cars can't, due to its neutral rev limiter!!!
Also a STOCK F56S muffler at high idle is LOUDER than 95dB, I know, being a recording engineer, I have my personal meter!!
Thats why most cops in LA don't give a rats a**.
It is my understanding that in California one of the issues with oxygen content in exhaust gasses is that smog testing equipment is sensitive if O2 is too high -- and the test equipment won't complete a smog check. So, if somehow a flap or other diverter draws extra air into the exhaust....
Well, apparently cow flatulence is gonna get us before vehicle exhaust does, and, for those of us who lease and never have to do a smog check, I guess the only worry is the noisy neighbor who starts his Camaro up at 5 AM, and blows out a window-shaking rattle from his four tubes. We don't complain -- let him have his fun so we can have ours. But those darned motorcycles roaring down the street setting off car alarms left and right, that's where I draw the line.
I'd rather complain about noisy exhausts in my 'hood.
#44
02-25-2019, 04:45 PM
JCW's in, kit works great. I dig it. Dealership sold me the tips (which, as it turns out aren't included) at cost. Another member mentioned that his remote thumbswitch didn't come with the foam cup holder thingy - MoP made sure it was in mine. All said and done, its good. I'm glad I got it while its still available.
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02-25-2019, 04:51 PM
JCW's in, kit works great. I dig it. Dealership sold me the tips (which, as it turns out aren't included) at cost. Another member mentioned that his remote thumbswitch didn't come with the foam cup holder thingy - MoP made sure it was in mine. All said and done, its good. I'm glad I got it while its still available.
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02-25-2019, 05:15 PM
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JCW's in, kit works great. I dig it. Dealership sold me the tips (which, as it turns out aren't included) at cost. Another member mentioned that his remote thumbswitch didn't come with the foam cup holder thingy - MoP made sure it was in mine. All said and done, its good. I'm glad I got it while its still available.
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