F55/F56 Coilovers + DDC?
#26
That has been quite a challenge, especially running very aggressive wheel and tire fitment. I ended up with the Powerflex Challenge car fixed camber control arms. We tried the adjustable bushings and they actually couldn't hold with the amount of power I have. I am eagerly awaiting the Vorschlag camber plates too - I'm going to add those as soon as they are available. The lack of camber adjustment is quite frustrating.
#28
Oh I know for a lot of people that springs/stock struts/shocks is financially the best compromise. But to openly dismiss someone looking at coilovers and to do their suspension one time and properly is somewhat foreign to me. And to begin to assert that it is a better option than a good coilover setup makes my eyes twitch :p (not you, the person I quoted haha)
#29
I guess that would be me that you're quoting twitch. I dismissed no one for their choices. I have nothing against modifications at all. I was questioning why anyone would pay $500 for the DDC option and then throw it out in favor of a whole new suspension. Just makes more sense to do that with a standard suspension to me is all. I decided to go with springs on my sport suspension because of the research I had done on the feasibility and effectiveness of the modification. I looked into coil overs, but decided to go with springs. If in fact my shocks are adversely effected I will probably replace them with Koni's. I didn't assert anything. You inferred that I was saying something when in fact I was not. I have talked about many of my mods on this forum and given my opinions on them, but I don't tell anyone how to modify their car.
And at least in my case, I didn't really have a choice. I bought my car off the lot, and it was spec'd this way. I wanted a specific set of other options, knowing I was going coilover and I didn't really care. Not everyone has the ability or the patience to order a car to their specs. Dealers have a wide range of cars on the lot, and if the price is right and everything else is met that's the one for them. So to dismiss throwing out the DDC for coilovers after paying for it A) it's 500 dollars in the scheme of a $30,000+ dollar car which doesn't really register as a meaningful number while financing and B) everyone has a different direction they go with their cars.
If the question had been "Has anyone done springs with DDC or sport suspension and what is your opinion" then great! You have relevant first hand experience. But the question was options for coilovers with DDC which means OP is looking for first hand experience with any issues/foibles/options with the DDC.
Last edited by VolcanicOrangeF56S; 06-14-2016 at 04:54 AM.
#30
Understood. My car is a CPO that I found on the lot with most of the options I wanted, sport suspension being one of them. If I had to buy one that had DDC I would probably go with coil overs too. I still might eventually. I only have a couple of thousand miles on my setup and am still getting used to it. I'm heading to the Dragon next weekend and will see how it handles that road.
#31
Understood. My car is a CPO that I found on the lot with most of the options I wanted, sport suspension being one of them. If I had to buy one that had DDC I would probably go with coil overs too. I still might eventually. I only have a couple of thousand miles on my setup and am still getting used to it. I'm heading to the Dragon next weekend and will see how it handles that road.
#32
Yep, the alignment is what I'm looking at now. I already have the NM RSB, end links, and adjustable rear control arms. And, just last week my dealer replaced the front control arms and bushings. They aligned it yet again after doing that work. So, after three different alignments this year it handles and rides great on interstates and the country roads around home. Haven't been to Harrisonburg in a few years, but I'm familiar with the area. An old friend is a professor at JMU.
#33
Yep, the alignment is what I'm looking at now. I already have the NM RSB, end links, and adjustable rear control arms. And, just last week my dealer replaced the front control arms and bushings. They aligned it yet again after doing that work. So, after three different alignments this year it handles and rides great on interstates and the country roads around home. Haven't been to Harrisonburg in a few years, but I'm familiar with the area. An old friend is a professor at JMU.
#34
Sorry for digging up this thread but can anyone answer if I can fit Bilstein B14 (which says is not for DDC) on a mini f56 JCW with DDC?
Are there physical differences that may prevent the fitment of the b14 on the car? and is it confirmed that unplugging the DDC won't cause fault codes and will still allow sport mode changes?
#35
Sorry for digging up this thread but can anyone answer if I can fit Bilstein B14 (which says is not for DDC) on a mini f56 JCW with DDC?
Are there physical differences that may prevent the fitment of the b14 on the car? and is it confirmed that unplugging the DDC won't cause fault codes and will still allow sport mode changes?
Are there physical differences that may prevent the fitment of the b14 on the car? and is it confirmed that unplugging the DDC won't cause fault codes and will still allow sport mode changes?
It will fit.
Pulling the DDC connectors WILL initiate a DDC error.
#36
Lowering springs
Does anyone have any experience with DDC + Springs? I want to go lower without breaking the bank, especially since I do have DDC.
I like that the ride is softer with dynamic suspension than the regular sport springs. I like to have more performance, but my car is a DD and I use it for work. The comfortable ride is a must, especially when I put it into Eco mode for stop-and-go LA traffic.
I like that the ride is softer with dynamic suspension than the regular sport springs. I like to have more performance, but my car is a DD and I use it for work. The comfortable ride is a must, especially when I put it into Eco mode for stop-and-go LA traffic.
#37
Just put Craven's on my F56 S JCW tune. After a couple of weeks, they settled in. Usually, I only drive in Sport mode, but the last few days I have been driving in Mid mode, in city traffic. The steering was the same as old Mid mode, but one call tell that the car is lower, even quicker responding. They do jar more with higher speeds and bad roads, especially in S mode. In town, Mid mode, not as much. My Garmin camera does sound an alarm beep once in a while going over overpasses (bump) and you do feel the road surface a lot more, but with a Big Pair and NM rear sway cornering/handling is outrageous. They make the MINI more "sportscaresque." Years ago I had a RX7 and put racing (think they were KV's) struts (old term) on it and it jarred the teeth. I had my dealership install the and kept the old springs. After watching some install videos, probably could have done it myself. If you do it yourself, it is well worth the money, good value MOD. Get it realigned afterwards as it does affect the rear camber.
#38
Does anyone have any experience with DDC + Springs? I want to go lower without breaking the bank, especially since I do have DDC.
I like that the ride is softer with dynamic suspension than the regular sport springs. I like to have more performance, but my car is a DD and I use it for work. The comfortable ride is a must, especially when I put it into Eco mode for stop-and-go LA traffic.
I like that the ride is softer with dynamic suspension than the regular sport springs. I like to have more performance, but my car is a DD and I use it for work. The comfortable ride is a must, especially when I put it into Eco mode for stop-and-go LA traffic.
You would benefit more using Eibach springs, they have a softer ride. I believe NM springs are stiffer than Eibach, but not as stiff as H&R.
#39
Can anyone second this answer? I am looking to buy almost new non-DDC coilovers to fit my DDC suspension. Does it fit fysically?
All reactions say that you don't get a DDC fault code except this response.
Thanks in advance,
Peter
All reactions say that you don't get a DDC fault code except this response.
Thanks in advance,
Peter
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#42
I installed the KW Club Sports with DDC. I drove close to one hundred miles without fault codes before installing the KW cancellation modules. Still no faults with the modules. So did i really need to buy the cancellation modules? It does give me some peace of mind having the modules since I track this car. The last thing I would need is for the car to go into limp mode due to a DDC fault code with another car on my rear.
#43
I had Koni Special Active Shocks & Struts installed on my 2019 MCS with DDC. The Indy BMW/Mini shop that installed the Koni's has a BMW/Mini diagnostic computer so they were able to read the fault codes that occurred from this installation.
Here are the fault codes that resulted from disconnecting the DDC shocks & struts.
482E85 EDC Valve coil, rear left, open circuit
482E89 EDC Valve coil, rear right, open circuit
482E8D EDC Valve coil, front left, open circuit
482E91 EDC Valve coil, front right, open circuit
No I do not have any warning lights on my instrument cluster after this installation. Also I have had a software update on my Mini at the Mini dealer since I had the DDC disconnected without any problems.
Here are the fault codes that resulted from disconnecting the DDC shocks & struts.
482E85 EDC Valve coil, rear left, open circuit
482E89 EDC Valve coil, rear right, open circuit
482E8D EDC Valve coil, front left, open circuit
482E91 EDC Valve coil, front right, open circuit
No I do not have any warning lights on my instrument cluster after this installation. Also I have had a software update on my Mini at the Mini dealer since I had the DDC disconnected without any problems.
#44
I installed the KW Club Sports with DDC. I drove close to one hundred miles without fault codes before installing the KW cancellation modules. Still no faults with the modules. So did i really need to buy the cancellation modules? It does give me some peace of mind having the modules since I track this car. The last thing I would need is for the car to go into limp mode due to a DDC fault code with another car on my rear.
Can anyone confirm this? I have no issue unplugging the DDC and have read many posts that there is no visible error but I seen a lot saying the rear struts won’t work, but this thread contradicts that.
just want to confirm that people are installing non DDC coilovers without having to change their strut tops on their DDC minis.
Thanks!
#45
This is the thread I wrote on 11-10-19 when I had Koni Special Active Shocks & Struts installed on my 2019 MCS. It contains all of the information on parts required to do the conversion.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...nd-struts.html
This is the parts list of the parts required for the conversion
Part Number Part Name Price Quantity Total
31-30-6-884-184 Strut Mount $90.78 2 $181.56
31-30-6-864-551 Top Cover $5.16 2 $10.32
31-30-6-864-550 Cover Cap $5.71 2 $11.42
31-30-6-868-240 Strut Mount Gasket $7.96 2 $15.92
33-50-6-791-706 Shock Mount $63.19 2 $126.38
33-50-6-863-445 Top Cap $3.12 2 $6.24
The prices are from MiniPartsDirect.com
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...nd-struts.html
This is the parts list of the parts required for the conversion
Part Number Part Name Price Quantity Total
31-30-6-884-184 Strut Mount $90.78 2 $181.56
31-30-6-864-551 Top Cover $5.16 2 $10.32
31-30-6-864-550 Cover Cap $5.71 2 $11.42
31-30-6-868-240 Strut Mount Gasket $7.96 2 $15.92
33-50-6-791-706 Shock Mount $63.19 2 $126.38
33-50-6-863-445 Top Cap $3.12 2 $6.24
The prices are from MiniPartsDirect.com
Last edited by BackRoads-Mini; 08-14-2021 at 09:56 AM.
#46
This is the thread I wrote on 11-10-19 when I had Koni Special Active Shocks & Struts installed on my 2019 MCS. It contains all of the information on parts required to do the conversion.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...nd-struts.html
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...nd-struts.html
Part Number Part Name Price Quantity Total
31-30-6-884-184 Strut Mount $90.78 2 $181.56
31-30-6-864-551 Top Cover $5.16 2 $10.32
31-30-6-864-550 Cover Cap $5.71 2 $11.42
31-30-6-868-240 Strut Mount Gasket $7.96 2 $15.92
33-50-6-791-706 Shock Mount $63.19 2 $126.38
33-50-6-863-445 Top Cap $3.12 2 $6.24
The prices are from MiniPartsDirect.com
Last edited by BackRoads-Mini; 08-14-2021 at 10:03 AM.
#47
This is the parts list of the parts required for the conversion
Part Number Part Name Price Quantity Total
31-30-6-884-184 Strut Mount $90.78 2 $181.56
31-30-6-864-551 Top Cover $5.16 2 $10.32
31-30-6-864-550 Cover Cap $5.71 2 $11.42
31-30-6-868-240 Strut Mount Gasket $7.96 2 $15.92
33-50-6-791-706 Shock Mount $63.19 2 $126.38
33-50-6-863-445 Top Cap $3.12 2 $6.24
The prices are from MiniPartsDirect.com
Part Number Part Name Price Quantity Total
31-30-6-884-184 Strut Mount $90.78 2 $181.56
31-30-6-864-551 Top Cover $5.16 2 $10.32
31-30-6-864-550 Cover Cap $5.71 2 $11.42
31-30-6-868-240 Strut Mount Gasket $7.96 2 $15.92
33-50-6-791-706 Shock Mount $63.19 2 $126.38
33-50-6-863-445 Top Cap $3.12 2 $6.24
The prices are from MiniPartsDirect.com
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