2014 Horsepower
 

I rather shocked nobody is talking about his. The mini grows from 1.6 to 2.0 and barely gains any horsepower. 200 horsepower out of 2.0 is fairly easy this days.

VW gets 256HP out of the 2.0 ( the us version is detuned, easy fixed).
FRS gets 200HP horsepower out of a Non-turboed 2.0 boxer.
velsetor gets 201HP out of a 1.6.
Genesis coupe gets 274HP out of a 2.0.

Mini 189HP out of a 2.0 duel turbo.

this list could go on. what on earth is going on here? are they leaving the HP open for modders?

You're gonna love tuners who will be tuning the TwinPower turbo engine on these 3rd gens. Especially once Dinan or BMS plays with these engines.

Max HP from the engine should be about 230, which is what to expect from the JCW.

Or maybe there a 5-cyl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B48_Engine

I've seen it mentioned more on MotoringFile than here. A lot of people are indeed disappointed. The speculation is that BMW deliberately kept the power down to position it in the lineup of MINI/BMW cars. So it is a marketing decision, not for technical reasons. They want the next JCW to show a greater power difference from the S, and they want to keep the power below BMW models.

"HP sells cars.........Torque and USABLE torque band wins races.

The new MCS is about 350lbs lighter than your VW GTi, and it's accomplished providing true and easily obtainable mid 30's mpg's.

Have you test driven the new S yet ??

Very important to realize that these are light cars. Hence the horsepower under 200 from the factory. I will agree that 220hp (+-) would have been more in line with the new 2.0 engine, and 220hp/240tq would be awesome. But then the JCW motor would have to be up around 250hp. These cars (both base and S) are great, performance wise, straight from the factory. For those who want to wring more out of the capable engine, there are multiple tuners, as well as the JCW package straight from MINI. I've very happy with the motor at 189/207. :)

While I have only been on test drives, about 12 miles total, the current S package seems enough. Will I feel the same after owning one for a year, don't know. This engine family is the foundation for BMW's future 4 cylinder offerings and as such I believe has more potential than we see in the current S package. I think one of the tuners has already gotten 220hp with just software changes. Also, given MINI's recent engine issues BMW might have decided to go a little conservative to allow a track record to build before increasing the hp. Lastly, the Marketing side, never underestimate how much the big picture influences each of the individual pieces.
Not happy modify...

The 2.0 Turbo in my soon-to-be-traded VW CC is advertised as having 200hp and 207lbs of torque (same torque as MCS), but people have claimed they've seen that much HP at the drive wheels. Speculation was that VW claimed less than the actual to help justify the price of an Audi with nearly the identical engine.

Exactly, the Marketing side, never underestimate how much the big picture influences each of the individual pieces. Most large auto manufacturers using common engines across different class car lines do this.

Tom

agreed. probably also leaving some room for the jcw. also OP, just to be clear, it's not a "dual" or "twin" turbo, it's just one turbo. there will be a lot of room for aftermarket, but more power on fwd is not always a good thing

BMWs are not usually the most powerful car in their group. But they are some of best cars for balance of power and handling. I suspect that the new F56 is a very well balanced car. BMW will, no doubt, get more HP out of the B48 engine for the JCW car, and other BMWs. My several drives of the F56 S lead me to believe the HP is certainly more than adequate. It's not a dragster.....nor would I want it to be.

right - bmw also has a tendency to underrate their motors

Also there is the "Over Boost" system which will supposedly bring the torque up on both F56 models. According to my MA, it is simply all computer controlled and when you "punch it"; the car will give you a temporary jump in torque. In the MCS it is supposed to bring it up to 221lbs of torque.

I discussed the horsepower question at the dealer. They conceded it was partially what has been mentioned above as far as model alignment between brands and is also set this way to maintain a better fuel efficiency.

Overall this should be more than enough power for a car of this size and keep things balanced. (and leaves a solid bit of overhead for the JCW model).

Its been discussed ad nauseum.

My theory is they tuned the cars for drivability and reliability. There's plenty of space for more tuning, and the JCW should get the headline power next year. If you look at the torque figures, the Cooper gets as much torque as an R56S and the Cooper-S gets as much torque as the R56 JCW. That should make them even easier to drive than the R56 versions, the R56S already had an amazingly wide power band.

Yesterday I test drove a 2013 JCW and then a F56 S and honestly the 2014, despite having less power, felt much quicker in acceleration. The torque kicks in sooner so you truly feel the difference in the launch.

BMW B48 Engine is planned for future use in the Cooper John Cooper Works model, the engine is expected to produce 231HP with over boost torque of 221 lb-ft in bursts of up to 20 seconds.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B48_Engine



I guess we will find out in time.

I bet the JCW tuning kit (intake and exhaust plus ECU remap) will give you and extra 30 HP. I find it hard to believe that the JCW will only be 231HP...IMO that that will be the starting point and there will additional JCW equipment that you will be able buy that will push the HP and torque. Even at 260 HP that engine will pretty under stressed.
These F56's will fly!

balancing HP and MPG is a big trick...

check the MPG for the other cars with a 2.0 and higher HP.

I spent a small part of the afternoon with Terry from BMS today and this is what we gathered:

fact 1: F56 S stock boost is about 6.5psi and will spike around 8psi @ 11:1 compression.
Fact 2: BMW 328 N20 stock boost is about 13-16psi @ 11:1 compression.
Fact 3: BMW 320 N20 stock boost is about 6.5 - 8 psi @ 10:1 compression.
fact 4: 328 and 320 have the same engines and turbos just different pistons.

Speculation: F56S should be able to handle the mid teens psi of boost (230-240hp/tq) if it shares the same F30 328 turbo as the compressions between the two cars are already the same.

my $.02 :razz:

How come the car is quoted as 189hp in the USA?

I'm in the UK, and the car is 192hp

http://www.mini.co.uk/model-range/20...cts-and-stats/

UK uses slightly different figures for HP than the US does. The UK uses bHP (brake horse power) and the US uses plain HP.

The website lists HP though, not BHP.

Hence my question :)

Seems odd, doesn't it!!

Someone might have already mentioned this but it's not a "duel (dual) turbo." It's simply a twin-scroll turbo design which helps spool the turbo earlier, it's pretty much standard on all new turbo-equipped performance cars today.

Could have something to do with differing emissions requirements. I've heard that the US and the UK and the rest of Europe are trying to standardize emissions and safety standards. Would be nice to get more interesting cars over here.

It's simply the difference between metric horsepower and imperial horsepower.

So 192 metric horsepower x 0.986 (conversion factor) = 189 imperial horsepower.

It's simply another silly conversion thing since we have to be different and use imperial measurements instead of metric.

In summation 192hp in the UK = 189hp in the US. They are the same.