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According to MINI, the F56 has upgraded Aisin automatic transmission and it will be faster than the manual 0-60 when equipped with the optional Sport Automatic ($250) and Launch Control.
The new automatic MINI promises to be most engaging two pedal ever version of the car ever.

Anyone has information about how much torque it could held?
New 189hp Cooper S has torque 221 Ib..
And what are the upgrades compared to previous Mini 2 transmission..?

FWD 6-Speed Automatic Transmission (TF-60SN)
Improved fuel efficiency and acceleration performance compared to a conventional FWD 5-speed AT by adopting a new gear train and optimal gear ratios.
Achieved lightweight and compact design with similar installation to a 5-speed AT by drastic reduction in the number of parts.
Achieves high-level shift quality and quick response


Is it Cooper ''2'' AISIN TF-60SN 09G AQ250-6F with max. 250 or 350 Nm (258 ft lb) limit? Or we have 09M version with 332 lbs-ft limit (450 Nm) from 2006 Passat?

 

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I heard somewhere that the car will come with a 9-speed automatic transmission in the next one or two model years...?

 

By Sport Automatic do you mean the regular (1,250 option) automatic? Or is there a difference besides a new steering wheel and paddle shifts for the $1,500 option?

 

I've heard that as well (Motoringfile.com). Tempted to wait for the 9 speed.

 

A 9 speed?

BMW doesn't even have one for any of their cars yet. Maybe an 8 speed perhaps?

 

According to Motoringfile.com the 9 speed auto is due in 2015

http://www.motoringfile.com/index.php?s=9+speed+auto

 

More and more speeds in automatic transmissions to keep the engine operating at an efficient engine speed. Doesn't the much maligned CVT (continuously variable transmission) pretty much do the same thing?

 

The CVT is essentially infinite speeds, I'll never own one. One magazine was testing a Chrysler product with the new 9 speed auto and essentially said 9th gear was never engaged. 9 gears seems a bit much and probably more of a marketing thing.

 

I had a 2003 MINI CVT and it was the best auto I've ever driven. Not sure why some people hate it so much.

 

My first new car was a GTO w/ a 2-speed automatic. Wife's 2007 Civic was a 4-speed, the F-56 is a 6-speed, 9 coming -- we are moving toward so many additional speeds -- it's in a direction toward "infinite."

 

My wife's 2004 MC with CVT is mushy unless you keep it in sport mode. I'm looking forward to going auto though after 7 years in mine. Clutch is holding up after 102K miles but it is a PITA in rush hour traffic.

 

The Aisin6 speed is the same tranny that is used in the current R56. Making you pay $250 for faster shifts is a slap in the face. The Aisin is a last generation transmission 8 speed ZF gearbox or some type of dual clutch is the new standard in the European hatch market. This is really a disappointment.

 

I am looking for more detail between the sports auto and the normal auto. The sports auto is actually 500$ more (the jcw wheel with paddles is mandatory) according to the configurator.

My MA told me that it has advancing programming for its shifting patterns and shifts faster. What does this really mean and is the difference noticeable in real life? Would you pick normal auto and just shift in manual mode to save $500? Any feedback or reviews from users who have tried it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Where do you see "sports auto" in the configurator? I only see 6-Speed Steptronic Automatic ($1,250) and 6-Speed Automatic with Paddle Shifters ($1,500).

 

If all the $250 gets you is a software change then it's not worth it (like most options on the mini, it seems). Regarding the torque capacity, it seems the limit hasnt been reached with tuned R56's so it seems pretty sturdy, assuming you change the fluid more often than the prescribed "never".

 

What year was your GTO? Our first car was a dark blue '65 LeMans (326 engine) with the same 2-speed auto. And hear we are discussing 9 speed autos.

 

IMHO your dealer should be willing to give you $250 off the sport shifting package. The $250 shifting software should really be free seeing as how they're using the same old transmission they've been using since 2007...

All other European manufacturers have switched to DCT or next gen 7-8 speed transmissions and MINI is still using the same transmission as a Toyota Camry.

 

Yeah good luck with that. MINI makes us pay for tons of crap that is different than "normal" and we do it anyways.

 

My yellow GTO was a '66. I think it used the same transmission as Chevrolet's Powerglide. Acceleration got better after 40 mph in the lower gear and after 80 in the other. The only automatic I bought for myself before my soon-to-arrive MCS.

 

All you are getting are paddle shifters and red stitching on the steering wheel, the auto is the same. Putting the auto in sports mode changes the shift points.

 

When you click automatic with paddle shifters, it will say that the jcw wheel is necessary which is an additional $250.

My MA gave me the impression that it is a different tune to get the paddles. From this thread, It sounds like the regular auto in sports mode will be the same.

 

When I first started out as a performance car enthusiast (back in the early 60's) I would only have a standard transmission with my options related to gear ratios, tire size/type, clutch configuration and suspension set up to get the overall performance I desired.
Since then a lot has happend in the automatic transmission world and now I would never own another standard shift.
I've had many automatics specialy built to provide exactly what I needed for performance.
You can build an automatic to account for cam spec's, stall speeds, gear ratios, tires, shift points, how hard the shifts are,etc.
The last street rod I built could smoke the tires all the way through the first two gears and get squirly when it hit third but still cruise at highway speed in overdrive gear @ the cams happy cruising rpm of 2300rpm. It just dosen't get any better than that in my book.
I really like what's happining with the potential of these new Mini automatics and believe there is a real market developing out their for the "tuners" to develope chips for these auto's.

 

This excerpt came was taken from a September 2013 Motoring File article:
"The immediate follow-up was, why would MINI stick with the six speed when competitors are moving to 8 and 9 speed quick-shifting automatics?
The answer was straightforwart. According to Mr. McKenna, MINI is happy with the performance of the Aisin unit for the time being. With some mechanical revisions and totally revamped software, MINI believes the updated transmission will keep pace with the industry – including the VW GTI’s six speed DSG (which is a DTC or dual clutch transmission).
When pressed a bit more about the effeciency gains to be had with with the new generation of 8-9 speed autos, Mr. McKenna mentioned that a new automatic could be on its way in the future didn’t make sense at this time. if we had to guess, that transmission would likely debut in the next generation Countryman in a few years time. That would also coincide with the refresh of the F56 in 2017. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves a bit.
The moment I heard the Aisin auto was sticking around I thought of the thousands of MotoringFile readers who would likely be disappointed. And while we’re right there with you, all is not lost. Based on what we heard last week at MINI HQ, we expect the new Sport Auto version of the Aisin unit (a $250 option) to be surprisingly effective. There are three reasons for this:
• The optional Sport Auto has further enhanced software that allows for quicker shifts and more aggressive reactions
• The optional Launch Control will officially make the Aisin automatic faster than the manual in both the Cooper and Cooper S.
• The completely redesigned interior boasts pull-pull paddles finally ditching the push-pull design which seemed catered to latte drinkers more than enthusiasts."

 

Would not fit in its current form anyways...Transmission vs Transaxle