Drivetrain shifter upgrade for my slop shifter?
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shifter upgrade for my slop shifter?
Has anyone else noticed how sloppy the stock shifter is? This thing has the feel of a 90 year old man's knee joint. I'm not very familiar with Coopers yet, but in the Mustang world, shifters are a common replacement to stiffen up the feel.
I took the boot cover off, and it's cheap flimsy plastic holding the shifter handle on. Are there aftermarket shifter replacements out there yet?
I took the boot cover off, and it's cheap flimsy plastic holding the shifter handle on. Are there aftermarket shifter replacements out there yet?
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Originally Posted by stylin99
Has anyone else noticed how sloppy the stock shifter is? This thing has the feel of a 90 year old man's knee joint. I'm not very familiar with Coopers yet, but in the Mustang world, shifters are a common replacement to stiffen up the feel.
I took the boot cover off, and it's cheap flimsy plastic holding the shifter handle on. Are there aftermarket shifter replacements out there yet?
I took the boot cover off, and it's cheap flimsy plastic holding the shifter handle on. Are there aftermarket shifter replacements out there yet?
http://www.piloracing.com/shop/prodd...MSSKIT05&cat=8
This just came available for the 05 Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S
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Originally Posted by stylin99
You've got my attention! So it fits an '05 MCS with a build date of 12/04 right?
What's involved with the installation? I'm a do-it-my-selfer and don't mind tearing it apart. Can it all be done from the topside in the interior?
What's involved with the installation? I'm a do-it-my-selfer and don't mind tearing it apart. Can it all be done from the topside in the interior?
Instalation includes jacking the car up and removing the catback and heat shield. I've only done an 03, but that was not a hard job at all. Just a bit time consuming.
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Originally Posted by stylin99
You've got my attention! So it fits an '05 MCS with a build date of 12/04 right?
What's involved with the installation? I'm a do-it-my-selfer and don't mind tearing it apart. Can it all be done from the topside in the interior?
What's involved with the installation? I'm a do-it-my-selfer and don't mind tearing it apart. Can it all be done from the topside in the interior?
Regarding the box underneeth, that is part of the 04-05 package. It replaces the cover on the bottom. It is a bit diffrent then the 03 shifters were.
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Originally Posted by sanddan
onasled,
Can you give more information on your custom shifter? Looks great!
Dan
Can you give more information on your custom shifter? Looks great!
Dan
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I saw that it comes with a ****...but I have a whalen will my whalen still fit on this shifter? If so then I am definately going to get one!
Originally Posted by MiniPilo
This will fit your car. The install will be done from both above and below. Detailed instructions are included in the packaging on how to perform this install. You will need to drop the exhaust a little though, but not remove it.
Regarding the box underneeth, that is part of the 04-05 package. It replaces the cover on the bottom. It is a bit diffrent then the 03 shifters were.
Regarding the box underneeth, that is part of the 04-05 package. It replaces the cover on the bottom. It is a bit diffrent then the 03 shifters were.
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Originally Posted by Guysdaman
I saw that it comes with a ****...but I have a whalen will my whalen still fit on this shifter? If so then I am definately going to get one!
#13
Originally Posted by onasled
Very simple. It's an Alta set as low as it can go. No bottom on the shift box and it's so low that it just clears the exhaust heat shield. I then had a machine shop make me an aluminum extension to get the shifter closer to the steering wheel. The best of both worlds and perfect for competion.
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I see that the shifter becomes shorter with the aftermarket units (Pilo and the others) but does it actually FIRM up the shifts itself. The major concern I have is that when in gear, the shift handle is not firm, and you can wiggle it left to right. It's sloppy! I want a "notchy" feel of actually being in a solid gear.
I'm not familiar with the Mini tranny design, but are there factory stop bolts to prevent you from bending a shift fork, (if there are any) or from slamming it too hard?
I'm not familiar with the Mini tranny design, but are there factory stop bolts to prevent you from bending a shift fork, (if there are any) or from slamming it too hard?
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Originally Posted by stylin99
I see that the shifter becomes shorter with the aftermarket units (Pilo and the others) but does it actually FIRM up the shifts itself. The major concern I have is that when in gear, the shift handle is not firm, and you can wiggle it left to right. It's sloppy! I want a "notchy" feel of actually being in a solid gear.
I'm not familiar with the Mini tranny design, but are there factory stop bolts to prevent you from bending a shift fork, (if there are any) or from slamming it too hard?
I'm not familiar with the Mini tranny design, but are there factory stop bolts to prevent you from bending a shift fork, (if there are any) or from slamming it too hard?
There is someone out there that claims he is coming out with a sequencel shift for our cars! I'll keep ya posted when I hear more.
#16
Originally Posted by stylin99
I see that the shifter becomes shorter with the aftermarket units (Pilo and the others) but does it actually FIRM up the shifts itself. The major concern I have is that when in gear, the shift handle is not firm, and you can wiggle it left to right. It's sloppy! I want a "notchy" feel of actually being in a solid gear.
I'm not familiar with the Mini tranny design, but are there factory stop bolts to prevent you from bending a shift fork, (if there are any) or from slamming it too hard?
I'm not familiar with the Mini tranny design, but are there factory stop bolts to prevent you from bending a shift fork, (if there are any) or from slamming it too hard?
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[QUOTE=stylin99]I see that the shifter becomes shorter with the aftermarket units (Pilo and the others) but does it actually FIRM up the shifts itself. The major concern I have is that when in gear, the shift handle is not firm, and you can wiggle it left to right. It's sloppy! I want a "notchy" feel of actually being in a solid gear.[QUOTE]
i'm one of the people who just cut off the shifter shaft ( in my case over 3" were removed.) the "slop" was greatly reduced, the mechanical engagement feel was much better, and.......... i actually did some andy ross tech memorial measurements! i posted these in other threads here and on mini2. my recollection is that the fore-aft slop measured at the center of the ball was very low, like 0.02", the side to side was about 0.040 to 0.045", and that the throw from neutral to first was about 1.1"
the cutdown mod made a spectacular difference in the feel, but the ball is very low. here's a picture
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...cat=500&page=2
i recently was in a stock car and i almost vomited over how sloppy the shifter felt.
i'm one of the people who just cut off the shifter shaft ( in my case over 3" were removed.) the "slop" was greatly reduced, the mechanical engagement feel was much better, and.......... i actually did some andy ross tech memorial measurements! i posted these in other threads here and on mini2. my recollection is that the fore-aft slop measured at the center of the ball was very low, like 0.02", the side to side was about 0.040 to 0.045", and that the throw from neutral to first was about 1.1"
the cutdown mod made a spectacular difference in the feel, but the ball is very low. here's a picture
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...cat=500&page=2
i recently was in a stock car and i almost vomited over how sloppy the shifter felt.
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Originally Posted by stylin99
I see that the shifter becomes shorter with the aftermarket units (Pilo and the others) but does it actually FIRM up the shifts itself. The major concern I have is that when in gear, the shift handle is not firm, and you can wiggle it left to right. It's sloppy! I want a "notchy" feel of actually being in a solid gear.
I'm not familiar with the Mini tranny design, but are there factory stop bolts to prevent you from bending a shift fork, (if there are any) or from slamming it too hard?
I'm not familiar with the Mini tranny design, but are there factory stop bolts to prevent you from bending a shift fork, (if there are any) or from slamming it too hard?
#19
Originally Posted by flyboy2160
i'm one of the people who just cut off the shifter shaft ( in my case over 3" were removed.) the "slop" was greatly reduced, the mechanical engagement feel was much better, and.......... i actually did some andy ross tech memorial measurements! i posted these in other threads here and on mini2. my recollection is that the fore-aft slop measured at the center of the ball was very low, like 0.02", the side to side was about 0.040 to 0.045", and that the throw from neutral to first was about 1.1"
#20
Originally Posted by eMINI
Sounds like my kinds mod . What tools did you use to cut it down? Would it still be possible to use the Whalen ****?
here's a picture of the shaft after one of the cuts. i cut mine down in 3 stages and i don't remember if this is the latest, shortest shaft, but you get the idea
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...cat=500&page=1
if you do this, you won't need a whalen ****.
#21
Originally Posted by MiniPilo
What the B&M Does is to replace the stock Rubber busings that the Mini Comes with to a Solid Bushing. This helps a great deal in the shifting action from the stock shifter. That is what those 4 large cylindrical items are.
On the other topic of just cutting of the top of the shift lever, I have to say that this is not removing any "slop" at all, yet it's just lessening the distance that you hand can move. Not sure I see any real benefit to this except to build your biceps in your right arm. There are better ways of doing that.
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Originally Posted by onasled
99% of the "slop" is in the all of the linkage. Replacing the bushings does very little to remove any "slop" at all until you start jammin the shifter.
On the other topic of just cutting of the top of the shift lever, I have to say that this is not removing any "slop" at all, yet it's just lessening the distance that you hand can move. Not sure I see any real benefit to this except to build your biceps in your right arm. There are better ways of doing that.
On the other topic of just cutting of the top of the shift lever, I have to say that this is not removing any "slop" at all, yet it's just lessening the distance that you hand can move. Not sure I see any real benefit to this except to build your biceps in your right arm. There are better ways of doing that.
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Originally Posted by MiniPilo
What the B&M Does is to replace the stock Rubber busings that the Mini Comes with to a Solid Bushing. This helps a great deal in the shifting action from the stock shifter. That is what those 4 large cylindrical items are.