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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 05:02 PM
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Pilo Racing - MCS Oil Cooler Available Soon!

Almost finished with development and testing is the Pilo Racing MCS Oil Cooler.

This system will replace the tiny stock oil cooler for a much larger, and more efficient front mount radiator system.

This kit will retail at about 350, and will include all parts needed to do the install.

Here are some semi final production pictures.

Complete System:


Standard Adapter Plate:


Adapter plate with Optional Guage Adapter (Temp Guage installed)


Close up of the 4 pass Radiator


If there are any questions or suggestions, please let me know.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 05:54 PM
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Dan,

Those pic are very promising, i can't wait till your finally product, keep us posted when it is ready to ship,
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 04:39 AM
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Thanks,

We will keep you updated on the product.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 05:35 AM
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Would be SOOOO nice if you could add a large remote filter unit too
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 05:46 AM
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Is that an automatic transmission cooler? It doesn't look like an oil cooler.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P.../p-321/c-10101

 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 05:58 AM
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How much oil will this add to the system?Second the motion to include a remote oil filter.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 06:27 AM
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How is this oil cooler will help the car?
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 06:34 AM
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Is it mounted with the zip ties shown?
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:33 AM
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there is no way I would remote mount a system transmitting 75-90psi 250 degree fluid absolutely vital to the engine without using AN fittings and metal braided hose; no way.


It would be a huge and in my opinion, necessary improvement to your kit to do this.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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This Cooler portion (radiator) is specifically made for engine oil cooling, as are the hoses that are provided, not transmission cooling. The connectors and wall thickness of the hoses are large enough the handle both the pressure and temperature that you are worried about JLM, but thank you for your opinion.



What is shown are not zip ties but specifically designed mounts that go through the radiator, and use the circular items secure it all together.



We are going to be checking efficiency as well with a temp gauge on both the inlet and outlet of the adapter block. The cooler oil helps the engine run at lower temps, and prolong engine life, and slightly help performance.



We have not finalized the extra oil needed, but should have that this week.



We will look into the remote filter unit as well.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:52 PM
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there is no way I would remote mount a system transmitting 75-90psi 250 degree fluid absolutely vital to the engine without using AN fittings and metal braided hose; no way.


It would be a huge and in my opinion, necessary improvement to your kit to do this.
I agree with jlm on this one. I have worked long enough in a lab to know that the hose connections that you are using are not going to hold up long term with that kind of pressure and temperature. I have never seen those connections used in any form of a high pressure scenario, or high temperature scenario. I have only seen them used on low pressure inert gas lines and low pressure water fittings off of a sink in a lab. Those fittings are nice for a quick connection, but will come off under stress. They are only held on by light friction. The funny thing is, is that people think they are tight, because they give it a big tug and it doesn't come off. But that is the way they were meant to be. But pushing from the inside, they are quite easy to pop off.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:53 PM
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I would have to second jlm's opinion, and I think the additional cost would be happily paid by the customer and be cheap insurance for you. AN fittings can be had relatively cheaply, and fitting the hoses to the correct size (precut) with the fittings pressed on before shipping (really easy to do) would add quite a bit of value to the kit.


Also, take a look at Mocal oil coolers - they are a bit more expensive, but would be quite a bit more efficient.

Kudos on the adapter plate - it is a great idea and looks really nice.

Hope that helps!

Randy
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 01:45 PM
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Though this setup is used in many places for the exact same purpose, I will contact the MFG, and see if the barb connection can be changed over. I will still be testing as is on my car, but will try to convert over prior to production. I will keep you all informed. I try to use customer feedback, and in this case, I will see what I can do for you all.

Thanks for the feed back.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 02:35 PM
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Dan,

will this retain the canister filter? or will it convert it to a spin on type, like Moss's cooler for the Mini?
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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Dan,

will this retain the canister filter? or will it convert it to a spin on type, like Moss's cooler for the Mini?
This will retain the canister filter.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 02:50 PM
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Not only would your engine disasterously succumb when a hose pops off or an abraded section lets loose, but you would oil soak the road with the potential for serious consequences to other drivers. If this happens on a track day, you won't be too popular.

But I'm sure we have liability insurance, right?

here is another high performance filter maker:
http://www.cmfilters.com/
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 02:53 PM
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Dan,


Great to hear! I tell you this from experience. I had a similar set up with regard to the fittings on a 914-6, and had several failures with the hoses bursting or being pushed off the barbs. I finally had the time and money to upgrade at one point to braided lines and AN fittings, and it worked flawlessly ever since.

Where are you going to mount the unit? Just curious if it will work with another project I have going.

Thanks!
Randy
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 04:30 PM
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Great to hear! I tell you this from experience. I had a similar set up with regard to the fittings on a 914-6, and had several failures with the hoses bursting or being pushed off the barbs. I finally had the time and money to upgrade at one point to braided lines and AN fittings, and it worked flawlessly ever since.

Where are you going to mount the unit? Just curious if it will work with another project I have going.

Thanks!
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Give me a call.. See what I can do to make them work together.

Regarding the AN fittings, I have talked to the MFG of the radiator, and we can set it up with 6AN fittings. Thanks for the feedback every one. We want to make this product viable for every one.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 04:32 PM
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Can you also measure the oil pressure at idle with the oil cooler installed?

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You can mount either a pressure or temperature sensor with the optional adapter.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 05:09 PM
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Spin-on remote filter! I third that idea please.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 05:30 PM
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good for you, Pilo! Earl's is a great source for AN components and know-how. Basically the "dash" mumbers, like "-5" refer to the ID in 1/8th's of an inch (-5 being 5/8th's). There are hundreds of pipe thread to AN adapters, for example.

red and blue anodized aluminum fittings are great.

try Summit:
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...G&N=120+400041
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 05:53 PM
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I've got plenty of adapter and such.. I use them for the CO2 system we sell and use. Thanks for the info though jlm. this should be a goos system when done.


Regarding the spin on idea. Looking into it, but will not be part of the first release. It is going to take more design work that we have time for our initial release date deadline.

We will keep you all posted though.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 06:12 PM
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I'm going to stepout here...but what were your priorities if you chose AN fittings for a fluff system and barb connections for a vital one?
 
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 06:17 PM
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I'm going to stepout here...but what the f were your priorities if you chose AN fittings for a fluff system and barb connections for a vital one?
I am working with a company that does the oil cooler radiators with bard fittings for many cars. They have always used these fittings, and have not had a reported failure. Not sure what makes the mini so diffrent, but if people want the comfort of the AN fittings, I will cater to that. Also, the CO2 system works on much higher pressure then only 90 PSI.
 
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