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Big Brake kit for 16" wheels?

Is there a front big brake kit available that will work with factory 16" wheels? I have a set of R53 16" wheels on my Clubman for winter use. I'd like to get a brake kit for better feel, but they would need to fit under my winter set up.

Even better would be a Big Caliper kit that will work with stock rotors...
 
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Is there a front big brake kit available that will work with factory 16" wheels? I have a set of R53 16" wheels on my Clubman for winter use. I'd like to get a brake kit for better feel, but they would need to fit under my winter set up.

Even better would be a Big Caliper kit that will work with stock rotors...
They wouldn't be that big then would they? :P

Just about every BBK for the second gen needs 17" wheels.

For better feel replace the brake fluid and get stainless steel braided brake lines. I went from the standard Cooper S brakes to the JCW R56 big brakes. Pedal feel was damn near identical, the stopping distance just decreases because you have more surface area to make pad/rotor contact and dissipate heat.
 
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Not sure it will fit a 2nd Gen car but RMW has a BBK that will fit some 15'' wheels. So it should work as far as the wheels go.
 
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They wouldn't be that big then would they? :P

Just about every BBK for the second gen needs 17" wheels.

For better feel replace the brake fluid and get stainless steel braided brake lines. I went from the standard Cooper S brakes to the JCW R56 big brakes. Pedal feel was damn near identical, the stopping distance just decreases because you have more surface area to make pad/rotor contact and dissipate heat.
Are you referring to the 4-piston JCW brakes?
https://www.waymotorworks.com/jcw-jo...t-package.html

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Not sure it will fit a 2nd Gen car but RMW has a BBK that will fit some 15'' wheels. So it should work as far as the wheels go.
These?:
https://www.waymotorworks.com/wilwoo...1.75-race.html

I saw those, and the kit is what prompted the question. I wanted to hear if they came up as recommended or not.
 
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Originally Posted by njaremka
Is there a front big brake kit available that will work with factory 16" wheels? I have a set of R53 16" wheels on my Clubman for winter use. I'd like to get a brake kit for better feel, but they would need to fit under my winter set up.

Even better would be a Big Caliper kit that will work with stock rotors...
The Wilwood 11.75 and 12.2" kits will fit up to 16" wheels.

The only kicker being spoke clearance. They will need to be "brake friendly" in that there is ample pocket space.



The 11.75 will lower the radius a tad if needed and can be had in all the same flavors: rotor finishes, colors etc etc..
 
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Originally Posted by njaremka
Are you referring to the 4-piston JCW brakes?
https://www.waymotorworks.com/jcw-jo...t-package.html



These?:
https://www.waymotorworks.com/wilwoo...1.75-race.html

I saw those, and the kit is what prompted the question. I wanted to hear if they came up as recommended or not.
Yep, those JCWs. I only have the fronts though. The rears have an identical caliper to the stock MCS brakes but with a bigger disc.
 
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That's cool. I can deal with running spacers, if needed.

What's the deal with your TCE Front Caliper kit? Does that work with the stock 2012 Cooper S rotors?

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The Wilwood 11.75 and 12.2" kits will fit up to 16" wheels.

The only kicker being spoke clearance. They will need to be "brake friendly" in that there is ample pocket space.



The 11.75 will lower the radius a tad if needed and can be had in all the same flavors: rotor finishes, colors etc etc..
 
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Way at WMW might have something that will work but I was thinking of RMW in CA.
 
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That's cool. I can deal with running spacers, if needed.

What's the deal with your TCE Front Caliper kit? Does that work with the stock 2012 Cooper S rotors?

Given it's fit to the 316mm disc I think the problem is OD. That's 12.4" and that's not going to do the 16" wheel...you'll need 17s.

The 16 will hold you back on a lot of brake options. But...given the value of the 12.2" DPR kits it's pretty tough to argue against them. Listed as four corner kits for as low as $1733 and of course they can be had single axle for as well.
 
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Given it's fit to the 316mm disc I think the problem is OD. That's 12.4" and that's not going to do the 16" wheel...you'll need 17s.

The 16 will hold you back on a lot of brake options. But...given the value of the 12.2" DPR kits it's pretty tough to argue against them. Listed as four corner kits for as low as $1733 and of course they can be had single axle for as well.
The 12.2" kit might be what I'm thinking I want. What do you get for just the front axle kit?
 
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What is the offset difference with the wilwoods ? I can't find it and don't see anything in picture. I don't want to change my offset and hit fenders. And can't go in without rubbing struts.
 
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What is the offset difference with the wilwoods ? I can't find it and don't see anything in picture. I don't want to change my offset and hit fenders. And can't go in without rubbing struts.
I don't have the stock rotor spec in hand...but the two hats are in the .260-.300" range. Making any change (if any) very very small.
 
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Originally Posted by toddtce
I don't have the stock rotor spec in hand...but the two hats are in the .260-.300" range. Making any change (if any) very very small.
Ok, I see there is a wilwood caliper only but states fits only stock 316 rotors, but only the JCW came with that size, so us 2nd Gen S guys would need the rotors anyway , right ?
 
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Our caliper kits only fit the 316mm disc, be it stock with your year of production or a size you need to purchase to complete the installation. At this point I don't remember which cars had which stock, the first gen cars all had the smaller 269 I think it was.

By the time you buy a caliper kit, and new rotors however you're better off simply purchasing the complete 12.2" BBK unless you just gotta have the sexy DP6 model caliper.
 
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Originally Posted by toddtce
Our caliper kits only fit the 316mm disc, be it stock with your year of production or a size you need to purchase to complete the installation. At this point I don't remember which cars had which stock, the first gen cars all had the smaller 269 I think it was.

By the time you buy a caliper kit, and new rotors however you're better off simply purchasing the complete 12.2" BBK unless you just gotta have the sexy DP6 model caliper.
ok ordered your kit with new lines.
 
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Wilwood brake fluid 570 is dot 3? I thought minis need dot 4 ?
 
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16" wheels with wilwood 12.2" kit.
 
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