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Helix13mini 05-29-2015 10:19 AM

Helix Intercooler Datalogging Results
 
As many of you know, we at Helix have been working on our latest revision of our Stepped Core Intercooler for a loooong time. Well, finally, we are ready to release it. We've been installing prototypes on select cars, and yesterday we put it, and other coolers, through a battery of tests. The tests included dyno evaluation on our MD-250 chassis dyno, and street datalogs. Here's what we did:

The test car was a 2013 GP2 with stock DME tuning. The only modification on the car was a high-flow air filter. All of the tests were done same-day, same-car, same dyno calibrations. The one exception was that over the period of the day, the ambient temperature rose more than 12 degrees, which make some of the scaling in our street testing variable. The dynamometer has a weather station which automatically adjusts the weather correction factor in real time. The weather correction factor changed the output numbers less than 1/10th of a percent, because although it got hotter, the humidity dropped about 20% during the day. This worked toward cancelling a big correction factor change over the test period.

We did both street and Dyno logs, because each can show a different aspect of the performance of an intercooler. Like any dyno cell without a wind tunnel, it's very hard to create the air volume and speed needed to truly replicate road conditions. Road logging will give you great information on intake temperature and boost pressure vs. RPM but won't give you torque and power readings.

Because we were running both street and dyno tests for three different intercoolers, we decided to remove the front bumper cover for all tests, making it easier to swap coolers. All of the data runs, both dyno and street, were done in the same fasion. The street runs were done in the same gear (3rd) on the same closed not-publicly-used course:wink:, and consisted of multiple runs from 2500 to red line. The Dyno runs were also done multiple times for engine temperature stability and consistency of results.

We started in the morning testing the stock cooler, we then tested another brand of aftermarket cooler, and finally we tested the Helix cooler. I'm really going to focus most on Helix vs. Stock. Here's a typical data set from the street logs of the Helix vs. stock. In this graph, we've logged Intake Air Temperature after the intercooler, Boost Pressure after the intercooler vs. engine RPM. Notice that the ambient temperature was some 12 degrees higher in the Helix test runs than it was in the stock runs. This makes for a slightly messy graph, but the important data is temperature rise during the run.

https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2...g?t=1432915483

The bottom two plots are the IATs: the dark blue is the stock cooler, the purple is the Helix cooler. Notice the temperature rise in the stock vs. the Helix intercooler. The top two plots are boost pressure, Helix red, stock green. Notice that the boost pressure is lower with the Helix intercooler. That's because the boost mapping on these cars is done through torque targets. The DME calculates torque via speed change over time, and limits boost once the car has achieved maximum allowable torque. With the Helix intercooler the car is making more power with less boost (as you'll see on the dyno plots). This means there's less demand on the turbo. Custom tunes on these cars manipulate torque targets, among other things, meaning that a Helix intercooler will allow for greater boost before the targets are met. This means more power and torque.

On the dyno the deltas were narrower, partially because of our limited ability to supply wind-tunnel-like air volume and speed, and partially because of the way the cars are tuned as stated above. Narrower but significant. We would typically do several 'warm up' runs to stabilize engine coolant and oil temperature, and then do a series of test runs concurrently. We allowed at least 60 seconds between runs so the evacuation fans could remove inert gasses from our dyno cell. Here's a cluster of runs done on the stock intercooler:

https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2...g?t=1433086925

This shows three runs on the same graph. The red line is engine power, the dark blue line is engine torque, and the light blue line is fuel/air mixture. On all test, we calculate a 12% drivetrain loss. The average peak power was 222.6.

Here's the same test with the Helix intercooler:

https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2...g?t=1432915479

The torque and power numbers were stable and consistent, with the average peak power at 228.6. Again, if we had a half million dollars in fans, I think the result deltas would be greater.

I'm not going to dwell a lot on other coolers on the market, but we did have another popular brand of cooler in stock and ran it through the same tests. Here's a dyno plot of that cooler:

https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2...g?t=1433086935

The average peak power was 224.

I have to admit that we were all a little nervous before the tests: all of the work, from Solidworks designs, to CFD flow testing, to 3d printed models, to failed prototypes, everything was on the line. We've got a ton invested in these things and thankfully they did not disappoint.

We have begun production and will start a special offer thread next week when we get a clearer idea of when the first production run will be finished.

TrueEddie 05-29-2015 10:39 AM

Wow, great details! I'm looking forward to the special offer thread ;)

67morris 05-29-2015 11:04 AM

Will it fit a jcw 2 aerokit bumper without trimming?

Helix13mini 05-29-2015 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by 67morris (Post 4086925)
Will it fit a jcw 2 aerokit bumper without trimming?

Yes.

MiniBOL 05-29-2015 01:39 PM

+1

squawSkiBum 05-29-2015 02:07 PM

Thanks for publishing your data - I wish more manufacturers did this!

How about pressure drop vs. flow?
Any modification to the lower crash bar required?

And more pics - let's see the whole unit! Although I already have "brand W" installed, this looks like a winner.

Helix13mini 05-29-2015 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by squawSkiBum (Post 4087001)
Thanks for publishing your data - I wish more manufacturers did this!

How about pressure drop vs. flow?
Any modification to the lower crash bar required?

And more pics - let's see the whole unit! Although I already have "brand W" installed, this looks like a winner.

We're still tweeking our datalogging tool (see our FB page) to allow for pressure drop measurement from intake tank to outlet tank of the intercooler. Remember that pressure drop has several causes, not the least of which is temperature drop. A very efficient cooler with proven flow efficiency through the tanks and core may show a similar pressure drop to a cooler that has terribly inefficient end tanks and restrictive core. It will, however, perform much better because the intake charge is so much cooler and thus denser. In our CFD modelling, we learned that very small end tank shape changes made a huge difference in flow. We tested dozens of revisions to the shape.

Ryephile 05-29-2015 03:25 PM

That is some nice data there Eric, props for keeping the bar raised high. Congrats on the results! :)

Neb08 05-29-2015 10:30 PM

Sub'd so I don't miss the update thread for pre order. Any idea on price?

Zillon 05-30-2015 10:30 AM

Photos have arrived. :)

So many round headlights.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7775/1...c8973698_o.jpg

Up in the air she goes!
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7750/1...1d9ce5ff_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8852/1...2ff624dc_o.jpg

Gotta give the Porsche some love, too.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8839/1...6004c9d9_o.jpg

Data collection.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7789/1...61beb63c_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8884/1...d2cd8c45_o.jpg

Let’s compare. Helix on the left, stock on the right… and something else in the middle.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7787/1...fbe544cd_o.jpg

Fin density and core innards of ‘Brand X’
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8819/1...f29f2f9f_o.jpg

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7790/1...810ac25c_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8789/1...aab0851b_o.jpg

And the Helix Intercooler.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7773/1...e0a4c8e4_o.jpg

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7729/1...6e8a0edd_o.jpg

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7779/1...760285c0_o.jpg

And just for giggles, here’s what a stock intercooler looks like inside.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7799/1...22d311f3_o.jpg

It wouldn’t be a visit to Helix without a cheesesteak.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8780/1...d727d687_o.jpg

Stock intercooler in place.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8765/1...02473b12_o.jpg

Helix, installed.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7733/1...47ae5546_o.jpg

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7741/1...2f8c257c_o.jpg

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7781/1...62caef0d_o.jpg

Impressions? The numbers certainly don't lie, but my finely-tuned butt dyno doesn't either. Usually, at least. It was a pretty steamy day in the Philadelphia area on Thursday - and I ran the car hard on the way home from the shop. Pull after pull, the car felt as strong as it did on the first as it did the last - no apparent signs of heatsoak could be felt, and the car definitely felt stronger in the upper RPM range.

The real test will be tomorrow - I'll be autocrossing at the Wells Fargo Center with the Philadelphia Region SCCA. Forecast says 90°F and sunny. And 54% humidity.

yesti 05-30-2015 01:18 PM

This is great, are you going to update the original group buy post when this goes on sale or start a new thread? Thanks!

SlingsDogs 05-30-2015 03:03 PM

Been waiting for this since I was up there to have the walnut shell blasting done. Summer is getting here fast, want one of these ASAP! Any idea of timing? Days? Weeks? Months?

cerenkov 05-30-2015 03:53 PM

How you "stamped" your name into the housing is freakin' sexy. That alone is worth the price of admission.

Z06C5R 06-01-2015 08:57 AM

Damn, I just put one of those "brand X" jobs on mine...

Neb08 06-01-2015 11:00 AM

hopefully this launches soon as Id like to have it for the rest of the track season...

Saltysalt 06-01-2015 12:00 PM

make ones for 1st gen... those fins are sexy

Tigger2011 06-01-2015 08:32 PM

That is a beautiful piece of work sir. Bravo!!!

newmail445 06-01-2015 08:51 PM

From the looks of it "Brand X" is a Forge FMIC. I was gonna intstall one. About $220 shipped from China.

todoubled 06-02-2015 03:56 PM

Passing through on JUNE 24th or 25th
 
Im heading to Atlanta and leaving Ct on the 24th or 25th. Any chance of having this Installed?

Helix13mini 06-02-2015 04:59 PM

Sorry, I had to shoot out of town for a couple of days and didn't get here.


Originally Posted by yesti (Post 4087279)
This is great, are you going to update the original group buy post when this goes on sale or start a new thread? Thanks!

We'll probably create a new group buy/intro offer thread for clarity. I hope to have a clearer idea of timing tomorrow. When I do, I'll start the thread.


Originally Posted by SlingsDogs (Post 4087306)
Been waiting for this since I was up there to have the walnut shell blasting done. Summer is getting here fast, want one of these ASAP! Any idea of timing? Days? Weeks? Months?

I hope to know more tomorrow...


Originally Posted by todoubled (Post 4088378)
Im heading to Atlanta and leaving Ct on the 24th or 25th. Any chance of having this Installed?

We'll know more tomorrow, but call us before you leave to see if we at least have a pre-production prototype left.

dangsdunks 06-03-2015 10:03 AM

Hopefully the wait isn't too long, looking to get my Manic Stage 2 Tune soon.

Sassenach 06-05-2015 10:32 AM

Very interested in this to help with the New Mexico summer heat. BTW love the shots of the vehicles in your shop, lunch looked tasty too.

wzabrouski 06-05-2015 12:27 PM

Helix Intercooler Datalogging Results
 
When will these be available?

Zillon 06-05-2015 09:04 PM

So, how about some impressions from my autocross outing last weekend at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia?

Unfortunately I don't have photos - but the events at the Wells Fargo Center are known for their high heat, humidity, but smooth flawless surfaces. The surface is a dream to run on, but turbocharged cars do suffer a bit due to high surface temperatures.

And this is where the Helix intercooler played a big part - power levels stayed consistent through the run, and even when I had 2 back to back runs, I didn't notice any significant heatsoak. My tires, on the other hand, were not very happy with the higher sustained power levels and lack of cool-off time - my very last had me suffering from a bit of wheelspin which cost me a couple tenths.

In the end, I secured second in class (DSP) against my friend in his slightly better prepped Mazdaspeed3. I ended up losing by .071 seconds. In raw time, I was 26th out of 140. Not bad at all!

Now I just need some fresher rubber...

newmail445 06-06-2015 10:42 AM

:)


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