Drivetrain Manic Motorsport brings us N18 owners OBD II Tuning! Solution is finally here!
#479
I kind of had a feeling the stock turbos were fine for 250+hp, imho the only reason to go with the JMTC is for the upgraded 360deg bearing
and designed for higher pressures. My fear is if I were to upgrade to a JMTC S42HP that a Battle Tune/DNA stage 2 wouldn't be enough to take full potential of the S42HP without some serious ECU tuning.
and designed for higher pressures. My fear is if I were to upgrade to a JMTC S42HP that a Battle Tune/DNA stage 2 wouldn't be enough to take full potential of the S42HP without some serious ECU tuning.
#480
#481
If you have a problem with Battle then why don't you make a new thread and detail your problem/experiences/frustrations there. The collective knowledge of the forum might even be able to help. Making a post here, in a thread that is not even related, is not the way to go about it.
#482
If you have a problem with Battle then why don't you make a new thread and detail your problem/experiences/frustrations there. The collective knowledge of the forum might even be able to help. Making a post here, in a thread that is not even related, is not the way to go about it.
#483
My response to his post was meant to be helpful. There's obviously a problem with his tune and/or car.
#484
#485
I kind of had a feeling the stock turbos were fine for 250+hp, imho the only reason to go with the JMTC is for the upgraded 360deg bearing
and designed for higher pressures. My fear is if I were to upgrade to a JMTC S42HP that a Battle Tune/DNA stage 2 wouldn't be enough to take full potential of the S42HP without some serious ECU tuning.
and designed for higher pressures. My fear is if I were to upgrade to a JMTC S42HP that a Battle Tune/DNA stage 2 wouldn't be enough to take full potential of the S42HP without some serious ECU tuning.
#486
I hope Manic really takes off here in the States. My girlfriend doesn't want to modify the MINI until after the warranty period is up and while the JB4 is awesome I don't know if/when it's ever going to come out for the N18 and it would be good to know there is a reliable/reputable tuning option in my area. The switchable on the fly tunes intrigue me the most to be honest as I know she won't want to drive full out all the time. It's the same reason I'm excited to tune my STi...whenever it is I actually get one anyway. The SI drive system allows three boost maps when tuned with the COBB tuner switchable at the press of a button.
#487
I hope Manic really takes off here in the States. My girlfriend doesn't want to modify the MINI until after the warranty period is up and while the JB4 is awesome I don't know if/when it's ever going to come out for the N18 and it would be good to know there is a reliable/reputable tuning option in my area. The switchable on the fly tunes intrigue me the most to be honest as I know she won't want to drive full out all the time. It's the same reason I'm excited to tune my STi...whenever it is I actually get one anyway. The SI drive system allows three boost maps when tuned with the COBB tuner switchable at the press of a button.
#488
Yes My contact with Battle before Manic came to the US was not what I expected. As I always start off when contacting companies, I compliment them in their technology and success in the market. I mentioned my dilemma was between Battle or Manic Motorsport. All they did was talk nonstop crap on how they were better and smarter than any other tuner. And how Manic Tunes are crap and they are just like any other tune. They mentioned how Manic tunes were just another access port. I don't see how they are similar at all. The PowerGate is more like the access port really.
They said the Jb+ was crap and the tune they provide is miles away from the JB+! (How when they couldn't tune N18 at the time?)
"You should know we are the best. We tune the Mini Challenge Series!"
"We are the smartest and most technologically advanced!" "Why even consider any other tuner when it's obvious we are the best!"
I specifically said I had a 2013 N18 and they wanted to send me a PowerGate to see if it will work on my car. Obviously you guys know it won't and I declined the offer. They thought I was crazy for declining the offer. I went with Manic and the results speak for themselves. I tried to contact battle about products I wanted to purchase on their website but no replies. I physically had to make a new email for them to look at my message. I'd show the emails to you guys but that is just going too far and maybe a little messed up. So I won't.
For the next question. Yes I just spoke to Nick and he said Manic is spreading throughout the states! More and more people are getting tuned which is very exciting! It is for N14/N18. Minis 07+. Inter cooler and Race Exhaust is in the makes! They had a thought in making a direct port meth kit. That's exciting! But only a thought. Who knows maybe it will come in the future! Will update you guys as I get details.
They said the Jb+ was crap and the tune they provide is miles away from the JB+! (How when they couldn't tune N18 at the time?)
"You should know we are the best. We tune the Mini Challenge Series!"
"We are the smartest and most technologically advanced!" "Why even consider any other tuner when it's obvious we are the best!"
I specifically said I had a 2013 N18 and they wanted to send me a PowerGate to see if it will work on my car. Obviously you guys know it won't and I declined the offer. They thought I was crazy for declining the offer. I went with Manic and the results speak for themselves. I tried to contact battle about products I wanted to purchase on their website but no replies. I physically had to make a new email for them to look at my message. I'd show the emails to you guys but that is just going too far and maybe a little messed up. So I won't.
For the next question. Yes I just spoke to Nick and he said Manic is spreading throughout the states! More and more people are getting tuned which is very exciting! It is for N14/N18. Minis 07+. Inter cooler and Race Exhaust is in the makes! They had a thought in making a direct port meth kit. That's exciting! But only a thought. Who knows maybe it will come in the future! Will update you guys as I get details.
#489
Yes My contact with Battle before Manic came to the US was not what I expected. As I always start off when contacting companies, I compliment them in their technology and success in the market. I mentioned my dilemma was between Battle or Manic Motorsport. All they did was talk nonstop crap on how they were better and smarter than any other tuner. And how Manic Tunes are crap and they are just like any other tune. They mentioned how Manic tunes were just another access port. I don't see how they are similar at all. The PowerGate is more like the access port really. They said the Jb+ was crap and the tune they provide is miles away from the JB+! (How when they couldn't tune N18 at the time?) "You should know we are the best. We tune the Mini Challenge Series!" "We are the smartest and most technologically advanced!" "Why even consider any other tuner when it's obvious we are the best!" I specifically said I had a 2013 N18 and they wanted to send me a PowerGate to see if it will work on my car. Obviously you guys know it won't and I declined the offer. They thought I was crazy for declining the offer. I went with Manic and the results speak for themselves. I tried to contact battle about products I wanted to purchase on their website but no replies. I physically had to make a new email for them to look at my message. I'd show the emails to you guys but that is just going too far and maybe a little messed up. So I won't. For the next question. Yes I just spoke to Nick and he said Manic is spreading throughout the states! More and more people are getting tuned which is very exciting! It is for N14/N18. Minis 07+. Inter cooler and Race Exhaust is in the makes! They had a thought in making a direct port meth kit. That's exciting! But only a thought. Who knows maybe it will come in the future! Will update you guys as I get details.
Maybe Monkey Wrench would love to do it here in Michigan but that's a slim chance.
#490
This thread is for Manic Motorsport tuning, Battle Tuning has their own thread (Battle/DNA Tune Thread) on NAM which is why I PM you instead of here.
You have made my point for me, this only confirms it. I know there are some on NAM who have remained very quiet (few words) about their tunes with larger turbos, almost lost the (less enthusiastic) interest in getting it dyno after spending a small fortune and it is this reason why I assumed some were not completely satisfied with the end result.
Tuning for the raised performance capacity of a bigger turbo is a real challenge on these cars. For over a year we've been testing our F21M turbo with a number of software companies and progress has been really slow. Manic expressed some tentative interest months ago but it's not gone further than that.
#491
The N14 and N18 engines are a lot like the FSI motors used (briefly) in Mk5 VWs and B7-series Audis. They had really high compression ratios and this makes them less than receptive to raised boost levels. We've had pretty good results with our larger F23 series turbos on those motors, but ignition advance is really limited.
Notwithstanding the handicaps of boosting a 10.5:1 compression ratio motor, I am becoming skeptical about aftermarket tuning as a whole. Yes, I've seen sexy dyno numbers, but no data logs to support them. In fact, data logging alone seems to be a huge challenge on these cars. And that's frustrating. Our F21-series turbos are very successful on older 1.8T VWs. I'm sure it could be on the MINI Cooper S as well. But tuning support for a 300bhp hybrid turbo product is basically absent.
Notwithstanding the handicaps of boosting a 10.5:1 compression ratio motor, I am becoming skeptical about aftermarket tuning as a whole. Yes, I've seen sexy dyno numbers, but no data logs to support them. In fact, data logging alone seems to be a huge challenge on these cars. And that's frustrating. Our F21-series turbos are very successful on older 1.8T VWs. I'm sure it could be on the MINI Cooper S as well. But tuning support for a 300bhp hybrid turbo product is basically absent.
#492
Are we talking about 300 at the wheels or 300 at the crank?
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#494
So that's about 250whp and that's what I got on a DynoJet. I know I will get a little more, but over a larger RPM range with my Manic Tune. I will know on Monday. Btw I expect 275whp or 325hp with my K04 turbo and ported Extreme Ceramic Coated exhaust manifold
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#496
That might be a possibility
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#498
I have a K03 45, a K04 45 and of course my GP 40 turbo. I'm just debating which path I'm going to take
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#500
I need to take off that license plate frame ....
Manic said they had a few dealers in processing in SoCal.
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