PMed you. The longest delay will be shipping times, but this can be avoided by selecting a somewhat local outfit to perform the tests. Once the shop has the injectors, it sounds like 48 hour turn-around is standard.

 

Found a place, 7.00 each iinjector just to flow test, but limited report, +shipping,
But for 22.00 for a dynamic clean with a 2 page report, free shipping.

 

http://injector-rehab.com/shop/Flow_Rates.html

http://www.injectorrx.com/siemens-fuel-injectors/

They list the siemens deka 1521390 # of my stock cooper s injectors

 

I found the same flow rate through WitchHunter (I think) stating that the base R53 units are 348cc @ 3bar fuel pressure.

Yeah, ProFlow will test them for $7 and issue a short report. Totally up to you, but at this point I think it's safe to say that these "330cc and 380cc" flow rates that we like to recite, are in fact at 3 bar, not 3.5 bar. Even though we run 3.5 bar, 3 is the industry standard when naming fuel injectors based on their static flow rate. Not to mention, everything I've found on the "330cc" units states that they're actually 348cc.

 

I've had thoughts off making a modified fuel rail with a return with external regulator, even if I have to change pump.

 

Found our central file on competitor data for "modern" injectors.

Unfortunately, it looks like we have not flowed a set of Mini injectors.

If anyone wants the offer, I will characterize and publish these parameters for a set of injectors, plus send them back to you:
3bar, heptane static and dynamic flow, spray angle, resistance, inductance
3.5bar, heptane static and dynamic, spray angle

Also, and maybe not useful to this group, we characterize and correlate them to mineral spirits as well. That's the fluid used during manufacture because it doesn't cause explosions.

 

Interesting that SMP is offering replacement injectors without first characterizing originals, or at least having specifications for which to compare the offered replacements to.

Are you offering to have these flow tested and characterized for free ? That'd be great. I'm going to start sending out single injectors for testing to WitchHunter, so that we can nail down some more replacement options, eliminating any doubt as to what works and what does not.

 

If it is a replacement not produced by SMP, we (meaning marketing) would have used the other mfr cross reference (in this case it was Delphi?). Regardless, the aftermarket is not as precise as engineering would like it to be. Economic reality forces parts to be commonized in ways the OE never would. Most of the ECU's we have looked at will account for +/- 15% flow before a dash light.

Yes, I'll flow and characterize them for free. We are getting data to manufacture our own parts and you guys will get it as well.

I had to put together a quick conversion sheet because we measure in g/min here but I did a quick sort based on 260 g/min (which ought to be 380cc/min heptane, please check my math): Bosch has a 12 ohm injector at 262 g/min, amp connector but unfortunately a 4 degree cone spray, 0280155868. Closest twin sprays I have data for are 238 g/min parts with 16 and 18 degree sprays, oriented at 90 and 0 degrees.

Also a 308 g/min injector with a 18 deg twin spray at 90 degree orientation.

 

Thanks- that's pretty commonplace in aftermarket replacements.

Bosch part# 0280155868 is thought to be somewhat interchangeable with 0280155830 and 0280155811, the only major variation from what I've gathered via internet searching, spray pattern. I believe 0280155830 and 0280155811 have a twin beam spray pattern, as they were OEM in multi-port Volvo motors. I think the issue with those may be body length and nozzle snout length. I'll check it out more.

http://www.usrallyteam.com/content/p...ector_data.xls


I just found specs for Bosch part#0280158096. I think this is another solid option for us R53 folks. These are also OEM in multi-port Volvos (S40, V50 T5 2005-2011) and have the most up-to-date EV14 technology. My research and the linked Excel file says these are 373cc @ 3bar, the "E" designation for spray pattern means they're twin beam, and 20 degree. These are the correct body size as well, but require USCAR to Jetronic adapters (like Vietnameeeh's Genesis 380's"). No big deal.

 

I have data for the 0280155811 injector, although it shows GM as the application. Could be both.
262g/min dyn, 9.15 stat but I'm showing it is a 4deg 4 hole cone spray. Fairly low offset as well at 0.4ms.

There are a few other injectors in that exact flow range/configuration with different spray patterns: 0280155868, .....155737, .....155766 (this one has a 14 deg cone)

We do sell to performance aftermarket as well. If the right RFQ comes in, really any injector can be built to spec.

 

Yep. 0280155811 is originally a GM injector, but was built for multi-port heads. Looks like the spray isn't close enough though. Thanks

One last one: Standard Motor Products FJ1065. This injector is what SMP offers as a replacement for the injector in Volvo S40, V50,V70,C30, etc, 2005-2011 T5 motors (Bosch part# 0280158096). Any specs on that SMP # ?

 

ALL Bosch Injectors Specs:

http://www.usrallyteam.com/content/p...ector_data.xls


We've got a winner.

Bosch #0280158096:
-EV14 (newest & best tech)
-High impedance (12 ohm)
-373cc @ 3 bar
-20 degree twin beam spray type
-49mm between O-rings / 65mm overall length (identical to stock R53 size)
-USCAR connector (just use USCAR to Jetronic adapters)

Review post #68 is this thread. The injectors posted there are Bosch # 0280158096, just as listed above and in the linked Excel sheet. The part# can be seen by zooming in on the photos in post #68. As I said before, these are injectors from the following: 2005-2011 Volvo C30, C70, S40, V50 T5 motors. They MUST be T5 (turbo 5 cylinder). Start shopping, boys. I'd send any used injectors out for cleaning.

EDIT: Bosch #0280158096 and #0280158025 are interchangeable and have identical specs. Both are usable.

Interchangeable OEM Volvo Part#'s:
VOLVO 30757309
VOLVO 30757534
VOLVO 8653891

These, in addition to any "Genesis" injector specified for small port 1.8T motors on www.usrallyteam.com, will work in our cars. This has been confirmed.

Stay tuned, as I have another Siemens 380cc injector (discontinued but available) in the works, that will also work very well for R53 applications.

 

The FJ1065 is a resale part, meaning we haven't reverse engineered it yet and are just putting the OE (or somebody else's xref) in our box. No data on that one so it could actually be the OE part ... or something else.

One of the things that affects our reverse engineering efforts is how old a particular car is. 7 years out of redesign is about when we pick up looking at it. Parts for cars you can still buy new are not even on our radar yet.

 

Got my JCW injectors out at lunch, Both set boxed up ready to ship
I haven't done much research on injectors until last night I found some intresting options. I was a Tech at a GM dealer for 4 years I should had been looking then

USPS. 9114901159818153169242

 

Innnteresting. Thanks, Igntionmodule.

DHAbutcher-

Feel free to bounce ideas off me regarding potential options. I've been researching this for literally months, and have already done a lot of the legwork. I think I've already closed a few cases regarding what will work; I've been watching certain injectors on Ebay sell at an interesting rate since publishing this info. Feel free to let me know how things are working, guys

 

Interesting thread....

 

TheBigChill:

The connectors should be EV14/EV6 to EV1 (USCAR to Jetronics) in that order, right?

Thanks

 

EV1 - EV3 injectors are overwhelmingly, if not entirely, Amp mini timer connectors. This connector was copied by Bosch as a Jetronic and just about everybody else. There's no real standard and they all interchange.

EV6 and EV14 are manufactured in just about every style connector that every automaker uses, Amp, USCAR, and a couple of oddball Japanese connectors.

You can get pigtail adapters if you end up using something different.

Best thing to do would be to get a performance company interested in selling an upgrade and have them place an order to print. Probably we'd do one as a 100pc minimum, possibly 50.

 

it depends what injector your getting.... what body type...

my GENESIS BRAND (not hyundai genesis) injectors used a different body/adapter which required I use the USCAR adapter...

note: the company Genesis, uses different oem components to make their injectors... which is why I had different variation of the 380cc injectors... mine were actually stamped with ford on them...

 

I just bought a set of Bosch #0280158096 (based on recommendations) out of a salvaged C30 T5 for $100 (best offer) from ebay. I'll find out what connectors I need when I get them lol.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/07-08-09-10-11-12-13-VOLVO-C30-FUEL-INJECTION-PARTS-FUEL-INJECTOR-W-TURBO-/261266488727?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AC30%7CSubmodel%3AT5&hash=item3cd4b23d97&vxp=mtr
Up for grabs too!

 

not sure about used injectors, but you may want to get them serviced... just my .02 unless seller is giving you some kind of guarantee

but then again you can always try them on then when they work run on some fuel cleaner through the tank (actually bigchill recommended i do it too even with new injectors)

 

I’ve maybe spent too much time on the injector topic, I worked for a GM service center, Drivability and mostly Diesel I remember when Gm went from 5 to 7 orifices in the Dmax injector, that helped atomization, But they do run 6000psi at idle and 26,000 psi WOT, And the newer trucks did have improved drivability and More HP. Just every 3 or 4 months there were updates and changes to every car line.

So the Question, Is the 2 Hole with the magical spread of the 380CC JCW injector the Golden Ticket

I found a Really Nice set of Injectors 5 orifice Great atomization spray around 416/CC at 3Bar, Stainless Steel Body, and a EV1 connector 12 Ohm, Drop in No pigtails

With how small the Mini ports are and with boost the velocity in the head has to be crazy fast, both ports going to the same cylinder, I’m thinking 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 would really make no difference,

I remember a MAGAZINE article, remember paper? I’ll find it and scan it
A old GM engineer was talking about when GM made the change from Batch Fired injectors all rired at once fuel puddling behind valves, to Sequential timed, the only gain they seen was it cleaned up emissions at idle no real gain once engine was up to speed. bet it added to converter heath, The distributor was gone, moved to Twin post coil packs using a waste spark ignition.

Sure with Coil on plug and ECM control over each injector is awesome in the bay with a fully function Scan tool to do cylinder drop testing, And giving the ECM,+ ABS + Stabilatrak Modules to cut fuel close the throttle and kill spark when a driver gets crazy behind the wheel regardless how hard they mash the gas.

When I first did My Pulley, then a header, Alta air box and intake Pipe/Hose I never had a Tune, I added the 380/CC injectors, still No tune car always ran great!

And not to Brag But, in 3 years of running and Miller Motor Sports Park, I’ve placed in the Top 3 against Cobalt SS, VW Gti, and Mazda Speed 3 in the FWD Class. The car runs well

No matter what I threw at the car it handled it, I wanted more so I finally had Way Motors Reflash the ECM and yes it runs better, Off idle tip in response was better, Higher Rev limiter car pulls to 8300 rpm So now I’m thinking if the car handled what I threw at it the first time with stock tune, maybe this Updated tune will handle the Injectors I’ve been looking at[

I just got done porting the super charger case, Custom Inlet from TB to Super Charger,Ported the supercharger outlet, inlet to intake, Intake is match ported to the Head, Used a Garlock Brand Gasket material to reject heat from head to intake, And Gp intercooler,

I think I might need some more fuel now

 

DHA:
Grab the Genesis 415cc injectors for small port 1.8T. They will spray 440cc at 3.5bar, and have the correct size and pattern. I have a line on a set for $175 if you're interested.

Manny:
Good find. There are a few more of those sets on Ebay. I'd either have them professionally cleaned, or run a full can of BG44k in your gas once installed. You will need USCAR (injector side) to Jetronic (harness side) adapters.
These: http://www.deatschwerks.com/products...adapter-detail The lower the profile of the adapter, the better. Vietnameeh had some intercooler clearance issues due to the adapters, but was easily fixed. The injectors themselves are perfectly sized. I'm sure he'd explain his fix for you.

Vietnameeh:
The reason yours say "Ford" on them is because they are most likely 2005-2009 European Ford Focus ST injectors, from the 2.5L Turbo motor, or the Ford Mondeo 2.5 Turbo 2007-2012. These interchange with the Volvo motors I posted previously.

If anyone has any questions, I'm glad to help. Also, for the record, I'm not taking this lightly. I know how critical it is to have the right fueling set-up in a car, and I've been researching these options for more hours than I'd like to admit. If you have any doubts about what you're buying, it only costs $10 to have an injector flow and pattern tested at ProFlowTech, WitchHunter, Deutsch Werks, etc.

 

Got the injectors in this morning and will get back to the lab. Also cleared up why we don't offer them, yet.

These are DEKA 1D short injectors ~ 13mm shorter than the standard length, which is the same as Bosch EV1 - EV3. Once I finish the redesign for the Bosch EV1 copies, we will be able to match the DEKA short outline as well.