Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain Helix SS vs. B&M SS

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 02-09-2004, 11:14 AM
d2mini's Avatar
d2mini
d2mini is offline
5th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 861
Received 100 Likes on 67 Posts
So who has experience with BOTH???
I like the idea of the Helix keeping the stock height, but I like the idea of the shifter feeling tighter and more precise which is typical of B&M and other high quality aftermarket shifters. I also like the price of Helix. But if i'm gonna go thru the trouble of buying/installing a short shifter, I want it to feel as good as other shifters i've purchased in the past. Also, does the helix put any extra strain on the shift linkage/transmission compared to B&M?
TIA!

_________________
 
  #2  
Old 02-09-2004, 01:17 PM
minihune's Avatar
minihune
minihune is offline
OVERDRIVE - Racing Champion
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Mililani, Hawaii
Posts: 15,260
Received 67 Likes on 65 Posts
I have driven several MINIs with the HelixSS installed and I own a MINI with the B&M SS.
I like the HelixSS better. It feels positive and has a short throw without looking different.
I don't think either creates more strain on the shifter components.

HelixSS is much less expensive and will accept the stock *****.
 
  #3  
Old 02-09-2004, 01:22 PM
d2mini's Avatar
d2mini
d2mini is offline
5th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 861
Received 100 Likes on 67 Posts
>>I have driven several MINIs with the HelixSS installed and I own a MINI with the B&M SS.
>>I like the HelixSS better. It feels positive and has a short throw without looking different.
>>I don't think either creates more strain on the shifter components.
>>
>>HelixSS is much less expensive and will accept the stock *****.

Awesome, thanks Minihune.
But that leaves me with another question. What do you feel is the advantage of the B&M or Alta? You'd think there would be a reason why those would be designed the way they are...or did Helix just stumble upon a new way to do it?
 
  #4  
Old 02-09-2004, 03:16 PM
jlm's Avatar
jlm
jlm is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: NY NY
Posts: 2,253
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
forget about taking a BM at Helix
 
  #5  
Old 02-09-2004, 04:09 PM
minihune's Avatar
minihune
minihune is offline
OVERDRIVE - Racing Champion
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Mililani, Hawaii
Posts: 15,260
Received 67 Likes on 65 Posts

>>But that leaves me with another question. What do you feel is the advantage of the B&M or Alta? You'd think there would be a reason why those would be designed the way they are...or did Helix just stumble upon a new way to do it?

The helixSS is very similar in design to the MiniMania SS. Not much to it-just a short stubby piece of metal. The design is different from that of the B&M and Alta. The Helix13SS makes use of the existing shifter and extends it below to change the geometry of the shifting while the B&M replaces the shifter arm with one that is shorter in height. Alta is similar to the B&M but you can adjust the height of the shifter(0-40% less than stock). B&M and Alta require a little more strength to shift esp to reverse.

Alta-SS- higher price-$199 and maximum adjustablility of the shift **** height. Accepts aftermarket *****
B&M-SS- moderate price $130-140, lowers the shift **** height by 1.75 inches and accepts aftermarket *****

HelixSS-Lowest price, $40, a little easier to install, keeps the **** height the same, provides positive shifts with minimal added effort.



 
  #6  
Old 02-10-2004, 12:22 PM
d2mini's Avatar
d2mini
d2mini is offline
5th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 861
Received 100 Likes on 67 Posts
Well I think the Helix is going to be my next mod.
I just don't see the point in spending so much more for the others.

Thanks! :smile:
 
  #7  
Old 02-10-2004, 01:01 PM
early_apex
early_apex is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Neenah, WI
Posts: 1,626
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
good thread d2mini, I had the same questions. at $40 the Helix SS is almost a no brainer. looks easy to install to.

Link, in case someone doesn't know what you're talking about.
 
  #8  
Old 02-10-2004, 01:44 PM
alexp206's Avatar
alexp206
alexp206 is offline
1st Gear
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Lambertville, NJ
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I had heard that some of the SS kits do not allow you to replace the protective cover... Perhaps this is the drawback of the helix?
 
  #9  
Old 02-10-2004, 02:07 PM
minihune's Avatar
minihune
minihune is offline
OVERDRIVE - Racing Champion
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Mililani, Hawaii
Posts: 15,260
Received 67 Likes on 65 Posts
>>I had heard that some of the SS kits do not allow you to replace the protective cover... Perhaps this is the drawback of the helix?

Yes. There is a part that cannot be replaced but I don't think it is a major drawback and none of the owners that had the HelixSS installed in my area have noticed any problem.

I watched Eric from Helix13 do an install on the Helix SS and there was a piece of plastic that could not be put back on. I don't think it is bad not to have it.
If you are concerned then call Eric at Helix13 and ask him about that.
call 1-877-HELIX13
 
  #10  
Old 02-10-2004, 03:49 PM
Helix13mini's Avatar
Helix13mini
Helix13mini is offline
Former Vendor
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Under your car
Posts: 3,159
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 13 Posts
>>forget about taking a BM at Helix


Soon enough, my friend, and it's a luxury porclain throne: a worthy addition to the Cabana lounge.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
NYMADMINI
Drivetrain (Cooper S)
13
12-14-2016 02:33 PM
Helix13mini
Drivetrain (Cooper S)
22
07-27-2016 06:29 PM
02miniSguy
Drivetrain (Cooper S)
7
11-17-2015 10:29 PM
matt12mcs
R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+)
2
09-21-2015 05:35 AM
Helix13mini
Vendor Announcements
0
09-18-2015 12:52 PM



Quick Reply: Drivetrain Helix SS vs. B&M SS



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:41 PM.