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cmcveay Mar 17, 2010 08:59 AM

CATTED DP's and CEL
 
Is there ANYONE out there with a catted DP and no CEL?

Everyone advertises their catted DP as the next greatest thing and no CEL but I haven't seen a post from anyone that can back that up.:confused:

I've got a coated/catted RR DP that's throwing a CEL even with the 02SIM installed with the latest and greatest instructions.:mad:

Anyone? Anyone?

Craig
:popcorn:

Sabes Mar 17, 2010 10:44 AM

I know Exhaust Depot is basically the only catted DP that won't throw a CEL...

But wow, the o2sim doesn't work? What a disappointment

countryboyshane Mar 17, 2010 11:43 AM

Exhaust Depot's worked great on '07 and '08. There was a minor occurance rate for downpipe CELSs on '09s when the ECU's tolerances were tightened up. Don't get your hopes too high. You should invest in a code reader like a ScanGuage II if you're going into downpipe territory. Believe me, you're going to need it.

JamesHunt Mar 17, 2010 12:22 PM

this one does not cause a cel

http://kreissieg.ocnk.net/product/395

mikemc Mar 17, 2010 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by JamesHunt (Post 3007996)
this one does not cause a cel

http://kreissieg.ocnk.net/product/395

:eek: with that price it better work!... there is not much info on it though... like the size/ diameter of it and the title O2 cannceller, how does it work?

JamesHunt Mar 17, 2010 01:14 PM

has catalyst material on piping . their exhaust for the mini turboback is 6000 usd.

looks like my next upgrade:nod:

cmcveay Mar 17, 2010 01:30 PM

It just makes me wonder how ED and RR and the others can/do advertise that their DP will not cause a CEL and they don't make any distinction about that not including 09's or later or anything else.

ED states in it's advertising that they are running it on an 09 Clubbie with no CEL's.

RR doesn't advertise a catless DP on their site now but when they were selling them, they promised (is that the same as a gaurantee?) no CEL but!, if there was one, the 02SIM would correct it.

To their credit, Alta does state that their catted DP "may" cause CEL's and if it does, they will send a possible fix that also may not work. That's honesty.

So, back to my original question, does anyone have one installed and running without getting a CEL as advertised?

I've got an OBDII reader that I've used to clear the CEL's but now, it won't clear and I'm getting a second code as well. That makes two codes with two pending at all times.

countryboyshane Mar 18, 2010 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by JamesHunt (Post 3007996)
this one does not cause a cel

http://kreissieg.ocnk.net/product/395

Wow what a ripoff. That price is absolute rape.

thevelourfog Mar 18, 2010 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by countryboyshane (Post 3008488)
Wow what a ripoff. That price is absolute rape.

The listed price in dollars is actually ~$50 less than the current exchange rate. Quite a bargain!

http://kreissieg-japan.ocnk.net/product/402

Kirkland Mar 18, 2010 07:50 AM

buying an aftermarket downpipe is about as rewarding an activity as walking in a minefield. I have not tried the latter but have lost an arm and leg with the first.

mikemc Mar 18, 2010 10:46 AM

:lol: as long as its not your gas pedal foot and shifting arm i'll bet you enjoyed the end results from what i read about that mod! on my next to do list...(well not the $1000 one, i dont got it like that...:no: )

countryboyshane Mar 18, 2010 10:53 AM

I bet that $1000 pipe doesn't even work.

No one can outsmart de Germans!

JamesHunt Mar 18, 2010 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by countryboyshane (Post 3008699)
I bet that $1000 pipe doesn't even work.

No one can outsmart de Germans!

I think Russia did from 1943-1945 :lol:

thevelourfog Mar 18, 2010 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by JamesHunt (Post 3008706)
I think Russia did from 1943-1945 :lol:

Pretty much everyone did for that matter, including the Poles who decrypted the enigma machine (which prolly ended the war much sooner than later).

countryboyshane Mar 18, 2010 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by thevelourfog (Post 3008749)
Pretty much everyone did for that matter, including the Poles who decrypted the enigma machine (which prolly ended the war much sooner than later).

Well I knew that was coming. Be nice everyone:lol:

cmcveay Mar 18, 2010 01:03 PM

The lack of replies from anyone with a DP and no CEL tells one of two stories.

1) Nobody has a DP (catted or otherwise) on a 2nd Gen MINI that's not throwing a CEL.

2) Nobody with a DP (catted or otherwise) on a 2nd Gen MINI without a CEL reads these forums, cares or is willing to tell the rest of us what their secret is!

I figure all we can do is ask.

Craig

krim Mar 18, 2010 02:31 PM

There's a thread on the 2nd page with a few people running ED's DP without CELs. They are out driving probably, or don't want to repost info already out there.

If you're asking specifically for 09+, then there probably isn't a good solution.

JamesHunt Mar 18, 2010 02:33 PM

OrangeCrush runs a E.D. downpipe on a 2009 JCW

thevelourfog Mar 18, 2010 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by JamesHunt (Post 3008922)
OrangeCrush runs a E.D. downpipe on a 2009 JCW

I think the only problem he had was the downpipe coming loose from the turbo.

JamesHunt Mar 18, 2010 02:59 PM

yup I was there for that:eek2:

orangecrush Mar 18, 2010 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by cmcveay (Post 3008052)
It just makes me wonder how ED and RR and the others can/do advertise that their DP will not cause a CEL and they don't make any distinction about that not including 09's or later or anything else.

ED states in it's advertising that they are running it on an 09 Clubbie with no CEL's.

RR doesn't advertise a catless DP on their site now but when they were selling them, they promised (is that the same as a gaurantee?) no CEL but!, if there was one, the 02SIM would correct it.

To their credit, Alta does state that their catted DP "may" cause CEL's and if it does, they will send a possible fix that also may not work. That's honesty.

So, back to my original question, does anyone have one installed and running without getting a CEL as advertised?

I've got an OBDII reader that I've used to clear the CEL's but now, it won't clear and I'm getting a second code as well. That makes two codes with two pending at all times.


I've had my ED DP on my '09 JCW for 16-17K miles. Up until about a month ago, I had never had a CEL.

The CEL had nothing to do with the DP, it was something to do with injector timing... (I forget exactly now)

Point is, if you're worried about CEL's with the ED DP, don't....

Mark

mikemc Mar 18, 2010 07:42 PM

sold me! savin my Cheddar as we speak...

etalj Mar 18, 2010 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by orangecrush (Post 3009091)
I've had my ED DP on my '09 JCW for 16-17K miles. Up until about a month ago, I had never had a CEL.

The CEL had nothing to do with the DP, it was something to do with injector timing... (I forget exactly now)

Point is, if you're worried about CEL's with the ED DP, don't....

Mark

Hey mark, what catback are you running?

orangecrush Mar 19, 2010 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by etalj (Post 3009362)
Hey mark, what catback are you running?


Up until about month ago, I was running Exhaust Depot's full exhaust... Downpipe to tailpipe.

Eventually the muffler (resonator) blew through the fiberglass and it started getting too loud.

I kept all the ED exhaust pipe and bought a JCW Stage I exhaust.

Now, I honestly can say I have the PERFECT sounding exhaust system.

No drone, sounds fantastic, best move I've made...

Mark

Porthos Mar 19, 2010 08:49 AM

I went to exhaust Depot in Orlando specifically to buy a DP, I almost got one but they had to make it and then mail it to me. Listening to him talk about the catted DP and catless there really wasn't any R&D it was just fabricated a little bit bigger and I think the same materials that are in the stock cat. I did like one thing though that might make me get one anyway is that they started offering the pipes in powder coated. The plus is that it is cheaper and it has better restance to wear. It has similar heat reducing properties to the ceramic coating. I also want to back to them becaus they sold me a JCW exhaust for a $100 installed. Ya they are awesome


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