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Drivetrain '09 JCW DYNO results - Forge Intercooler

Old Oct 13, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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Hey guys, I went ahead and pressure tested the system with filtered air from my garage air compessor. The system held 25 PSI of pressure without any leaks. I pressure tested from the turbo outlet upstream; and surprisingly I didnt have to plug anything after the IC - I guess all the intake/exhaust valves were closed enough. Funy how not even the PCV leaked... Anyways, there are no leaks to speak of.

What I do want to try is going back to the stock airfilter. At the time of FMIC install, I also installed a drop-in replacement airfilter from Craven. I'll pop the stock one back in and report; however if the boost rises due to the paper air filter then it is obviously low-side pressure loss which caused the turbo to work harder for that extra 2psi.

I'll get back to this thread in about an hour with results.
Good news for sure Chasing pesky leaks can get really annoying after a while.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nachtsturm

Orange crush...when you dyno'ed was it set to imitate dynojet numbers or are those true dyno dynamic numbers?
Those numbers were on a true dyno dynamic dyno.

As far as a pressure drop, the intercooler is larger. Doesn't that mean that the pressure will drop for the same given volume of air in a larger intercooler (larger volume) or am I missing something.

I always thought a larger intercooler gave a drop (albeit small) just because of larger volume.

No?

Mark
 
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by orangecrush
Those numbers were on a true dyno dynamic dyno.

As far as a pressure drop, the intercooler is larger. Doesn't that mean that the pressure will drop for the same given volume of air in a larger intercooler (larger volume) or am I missing something.

I always thought a larger intercooler gave a drop (albeit small) just because of larger volume.

No?

Mark
Pressure drop from an intercooler would be because it can not flow the amount of air that is present. You would measure pre inlet pressure and post inlet pressure. A larger intercooler with a good internal fin design should cool extremely well and stil keep pressure drop to a minimum.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2009 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Nachtsturm
pressure drop with upgrading the intercooler is common. Yes it is cooling better now, but it seems this intercooler is more restrictive as the cost. Catch22. I doubt you have a leak.

There was a really good thread on a intercooler comparison on another board...ill see if i can find it.

Orange crush...when you dyno'ed was it set to imitate dynojet numbers or are those true dyno dynamic numbers?
is this the thread u meant? its the one i started and forge came up

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ifference.html
 
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Old Oct 14, 2009 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dunphyj
is this the thread u meant? its the one i started and forge came up

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ifference.html

Not sure if that's the one he meant but there is a comparison between like 4-5 intercoolers where they actually measured pressure drops, inlet, outlet temps, hp loss, etc, etc.

It was that thread that made me go with the forge when the helix wasn't available yet.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2009 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by orangecrush
Those numbers were on a true dyno dynamic dyno.

As far as a pressure drop, the intercooler is larger. Doesn't that mean that the pressure will drop for the same given volume of air in a larger intercooler (larger volume) or am I missing something.

I always thought a larger intercooler gave a drop (albeit small) just because of larger volume.

No?

Mark
I know have a new found respect for the JCW is those were not adjusted for a dynojet.

My CLK55 put down 268.1whp and 310wtq on a dyno dynamics. On a dyno jet it is 311whp and 360wtq.

From my LET motorsports, there is a 16 percent difference between the DD and DJ.

Meaning that would make your dynojet numbers 256whp and 290wtq.

At 2700lbs and at 3444lbs for my benz. Your mini cooper has a better power to weight ratio then my AMG. Impressive indeed.


Now I have taken my benz to the drag strip, I run 13.5@106-107, you think your mini could match that?

If that is the case, I just justified the JCW.

EDIT: Yes, I am paper racing...but what do you expect from an analyst?

On a side note is this intercooler bar and plate?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2009 | 08:18 AM
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Here is the intercooler thread I was talking about.

It's for a different car, but was very informative. I have owned 3 srt-4's. So this was even more helpful.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f24/...thread-438589/
 
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Old Oct 14, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nachtsturm
I know have a new found respect for the JCW is those were not adjusted for a dynojet.

My CLK55 put down 268.1whp and 310wtq on a dyno dynamics. On a dyno jet it is 311whp and 360wtq.

From my LET motorsports, there is a 16 percent difference between the DD and DJ.

Meaning that would make your dynojet numbers 256whp and 290wtq.

At 2700lbs and at 3444lbs for my benz. Your mini cooper has a better power to weight ratio then my AMG. Impressive indeed.


Now I have taken my benz to the drag strip, I run 13.5@106-107, you think your mini could match that?

If that is the case, I just justified the JCW.

EDIT: Yes, I am paper racing...but what do you expect from an analyst?

On a side note is this intercooler bar and plate?
auto gear box and rear wheel drive helps a great deal. JCW with tune and intercooler could probably do a 13.9?
 
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Nachtsturm

On a side note is this intercooler bar and plate?
I'm sorry, it's early, what do you mean "and plate"....what plate?

As far as numbers, based on other people's stats, hp:weight ratio's and etc, it's been estimated that the car should run "ON PAPER....lol" high 13's. I think someone even said mid 13's.

I personally am not interested in 1/8 or 1/4 mile times (only because I've got much better vehicles for that...) but I don't want the ability to pull when I'm at the track. Last year there was a guy in a black C6 Corvette that ended up at a lot of the track days that I was at also.

Everytime he'd give me the wave-by but when we hit victory lane, he'd BLOW by me. (which I expect) but then he'd give me the wave-by again....

I think the next time, the scenerio will play out a little different. I think if I can put enough distance between him and in the twisties, by the time I hit the straightaway, I'll have enough pull that though he'll be able to catch me, it'll be too late to pass.

(dreams dancing through my head anyways...lol).

Plus last year he was on sticky compounds and I was on runflats. This year I'm running RE-11's. I'm hoping to put a hurting on cars like that this year.

Mark
 
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by etalj
auto gear box and rear wheel drive helps a great deal. JCW with tune and intercooler could probably do a 13.9?
More interested in the trap speed.

My 13.5's were on all-season with a crappy 2.1xx 60'. On a sticky tire the car would be at a 13.0.

Orangecrush,

I will not be buying the mini for a dragster either. Would just be nice to know if it can be as fast as my clk55 with bolt ons, so essentialy I am giving up nothing and gaining alot with the move to the JCW.

Well, when I get the JCW, it will go to the strip stock and then modded, then autocross.

How does your car do against E46 M3's on the straights?
 
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 07:00 AM
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haven't taken on any E46 M3s as yet, but I'd imagine they'd be a little faster.

What I'm saying is, you can't really compare FWD to RWD on the 1/4 mile run, cos a FWD with the same power to weight ratio as some RWD car would still lose to the RWD car, even though the rolling acceleration might be equal.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by etalj
haven't taken on any E46 M3s as yet, but I'd imagine they'd be a little faster.

What I'm saying is, you can't really compare FWD to RWD on the 1/4 mile run, cos a FWD with the same power to weight ratio as some RWD car would still lose to the RWD car, even though the rolling acceleration might be equal.
Not really. I lost to stock turbo SRT-4. He was running 13.3@104 vs my 13.5@106
I also ran my srt-4 at 13.6@107.(Similiar power to weight ratio) I have done over. It had more in it but track prep was horrible.

Most M3's here at my tracks run mid-high 13's at 102-103.

I have well over 300 drag runs. About half and half with fwd and rwd. If the FWD is set up properly it can run with a rwd car with the same power to weight ratio. Then if you get a 2-step program in there. It makes it even more competitive.

I have taken many rwd cars down in the 1/4mi in my fwd cars at the strip.

I would just really like to know what the modded JCW's are trapping at. I saw a modded R56 base S, was trapping 100+. WOuld just like an idea of the JCW too.
 
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