How bout some Dragon love, it's almost February, the Dragon is 97 days away and I'm not feeling the love. Can we move on and focus on how to make this event continue to rock, rather than throwing stones at each other

 

That's a great idea, let's have a stone throwing competition there, make it sorta like the Highland Games.

 

Oh man, I'm so saddened by this. I loved Toni---she always bent over backwards to help me as a vendor.

I actually think it's funny they don't give ME credit for the cover photo of the Premiere article, nor for having even contributed....for if I hadn't stepped in at the last minute when Motoringfile couldn't do it, then wouldn't have had the MOTD coverage or photos period.


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Addressing the apparent complaints about our MOTD coverage you will find that our debut issue of December 7, 2005 had a Dragon cover ( Jill Foss' Mean Mr. Bean MINI) and four pages of story inside (pages 28-31). The next issue of Dragon coverage was issue #4 of Sept-Dec 2007, with pages 48-51. Our most recent MOTD coverage was issue #9, July-Aug 2007, with a cover blurb and pages 30-33.

Two of those times, our Mark Scheuern covered the event with his fine camera work, with Molly Bunton writing the story the last time. Speaking of Mark, last year NAM asked him to provide legal paperwork from MC2 stating he was attending MOTD as our reporter. Yes, they requested media credentials for a public event, when none had ever been needed by anyone before 2007. This was asked on 4/29.

Coverage of MITM was first in our #5 issue of Nov-Dec 2006 for pages 46-49, and then in issue #11 of Nov-Dec 2007 on pages 70-73. Thanks to Rick Gonzales for the writing, and Norm Dettlaff and several other great club members for their photos both times.

Reality is, MOTD and MITM have had equal or greater pages in MC2 than the MOT event. Maybe they should be upset we have not been as generous to them?

 

Ya'll keep this up!! ME, just got new tires and will be ready for the DRAGON!! Sorry for all this "higher echelon" discussion about who and when stuff!! Me and others are Grateful for the chance to go there with a bazillion crazy ( yet sane??) MINI drivers.. SOOOOooo... I say this!! Kudos to the ones that did!! And Future Kudos to ones that will!! I think that the point ( what ever) has been made, The future will be different... and my new tires are going to rock!!

Thanks to whom ever wants it!!

Just me..........................................

Thumper

 

I totally agree. It's difficult enough to keep the drama on this board at bay. Throw that in the middle of member/vendor disputes and you have a huge headache.

I think Mark has done a great job at keeping this forum well balanced, considering its size. You're not going to make everybody happy. In the end, if they don't like it, they don't have to stick around.

There are some other great forums to visit as well. I like it here because it's a great source for knowledge. I've also made some great friends over here. I also have no problem with anybody making a living keeping this going. More power to you.

 

After reading this entire thread, here are my observations:

MC2 has a chip on their shoulder, created by their own misconception of events and a simple request. Barry seems to like to hold onto self-generated grudges, which are manifested in barely veiled snotty remarks. Fine..let him stew in his own juices.

As an attendee of every Dragon since '03 and a volunteer in at least 3 of them, no-one has a right to question anyone's motives for being involved in the Dragon. Unless an individual has walked in the shoes of a co-ordinator for the Dragon itself or any events therein, do not presume to understand the scope of the work involved. It is a huge undertaking that involves months of hard work. To belittle that effort is ignorant at best.

Using this thread to air complaints about how you think NAM should be run..Scott...is wrong and counterproductive. You have a beef with NAM? Then go to Mark directly and discuss it. period.

 

I won't touch the Barry comment. I've got a conflict of interest.

But a carefull reading of Scotts post is more a vote for transparancy than anything else. Also, unless I missed something, this is an open forum. I think if Mark has an issue with Scotts content he knows fully well how to let him know...

Matt

 

All I'm saying is that to question Mark's running of NAM on a thread about MC2 is kind of OT.
I respect your conflict of interest, and I wouldn't expect you to put your relationship with MC2 in any kind of jeopardy.

 

I realize that everyone will, at some time, have questions about what I do and why. I try my best to address those. At some point I feel that continued efforts to address them and satisfy the questions is non-productive so I move on to more pressing issues.

Personally, MOTD is a LOT of work. I would be more than happy to step aside at this point if others will step in to fill the void. I would love to be able to attend and not work around the clock before, during, and after the event Any takers?

Bueller? Bueller?

 

I can help, fearless leader. I've offered my time for this year's event and I'll reiterate that offer...

 

I would appreciate it. I know you're not game for the whole ball of wax but I'll definitely take you up on the offer to help put together and manage the info booth

Mark

 

Thanks Matt, That's all I was tryiing to do. I personally had no idea that Mark was even invovded with much less a coordinator of MOTD.

As to the comment about Barry and MC2..........since he is unable to defend himself here, that was a cheap shot. Unless you actually know what is going on I would suggest you keep the unfounded suspicions to your self kgdblu

 

yeah, what ever.

 

Thanks.

 

I didn't read the entire thread, but let me note that MC2 has MOTD on its calendar now.

 

Scott, you seem to think that Barry is unable to register for a free account and post here?

There's nothing stopping him from participating, if he so chooses. I'm sure that Mark would welcome his participation. I sure would.

We don't censor people here when we don't agree with their opinion (except for blatantly inciteful things like political discussion, hate speech, racism, etc).That's great... a shame that it's too late for the printed one though.

For what it's worth, in spite of my disappointment that the MC2-NAM relationship isn't healthier, I am a charter subscriber of MC2, and I will be renewing my subscription (which is actually due now). It's a good magazine, I have enjoyed every issue and will continue to do so.

The biggest disappointment to me is that Barry appears (by his response above) to think that NAM and MC2 are in some kind of overlapping business model, and I don't think that is really the case. Mark has made it clear that the upcoming magazine will be online, not physical. Totally different market (and not really in conflict, IMO). He also said that it will be made available to paid membership NAM members only, after the first 2 issues. How is that really in direct competition to MC2?

I hold out hope that the chasm can be crossed at some point. We all love the car for the same reasons... and that must also mean we are all fun-loving people.

"Can't we all just... get along?"