R60 We need the Turbo Diesel in the US
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From: France and Reno/Tahoe
We need the Turbo Diesel in the US
I have been in Switzerland for a week now and have been driving my cousin's Peugeot with the 6 speed 150hp HDi turbo diesel. I believe it is the same motor that is in the SD model for MINI.
All I can say is WOW!!! Smooth, quiet, torque galore, climbs up the Alps like it's a mole hill. She says she can go as far as 1,100km (684 miles) between fillups and averages 5l/100km (47MPG) on the highway. Based on the number I saw on the OBC it seems about right. We are missing out.
All I can say is WOW!!! Smooth, quiet, torque galore, climbs up the Alps like it's a mole hill. She says she can go as far as 1,100km (684 miles) between fillups and averages 5l/100km (47MPG) on the highway. Based on the number I saw on the OBC it seems about right. We are missing out.
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Great advantages with the TD engines.. My wife has the Jetta TDI, and the torque and MPG makes it a real advantage. As it is, our auto tranny's gears are too far apart for our low tq engines..
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From: Laurel MD
Yup, it was our crappy diesel that has been keeping us from getting them. Now that we have most of that cleaned up, we might actually see some soon. When I was in Germany, I rented many of the TDIs and loved em... 
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That is part of it... I have spoken to a few people (rather high up) at BMW when I lived in Germany that flat out told me that they did not want to subject the engine to the quality of disel that we have here. Pretty sure they would sell fairly well if people could feel the power and see the milage they would get for their money.
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From: Keller, TX
That is part of it... I have spoken to a few people (rather high up) at BMW when I lived in Germany that flat out told me that they did not want to subject the engine to the quality of disel that we have here. Pretty sure they would sell fairly well if people could feel the power and see the milage they would get for their money.
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From: Dallas, TX
Sad but true... there is a stigma against deisel for some reason and the supply would need to be enlarged... but it still would make sense to do it, goes to show that our government, regardless of party, is in someone's pocket as clean diesel would reduce our overall fuel use based on the great MPGs. my brother-in-law has a diesel jetta and bug, both get 40+ MPG.
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the mini diesel engine can't be sold in the U.S. because it won't pass CARB emissions (CA). only the VW-inspired strain of blue-tec diesels will pass. and mini has no plan to redesign or license another engine design.
also, the current issue with our diesel is no longer particulates, but rather (apparently) water. i sold my 2009 vw tdi sportwagen for the CMS because there is an ongoing problem with the vw diesels wherein the engine blows up.
they did not design the fuel pumps to be robust enough and, when they encounter condensation caused by water in the diesel fuel storage tanks (at gas stations), they send corrosion throughout the engine.
the not-covered-by-warranty (fuel quality problem) is easy to fix though. simply replace:
1. fuel tank
2. both fuel pumps
3. fuel lines
4. injectors and common rail
5. engine
i kid you not. there is an ongoing effort to get NHTSA to force VW into a recall or warranty guarantee. until that is complete,i would not own a vw tdi if it was out of 3/36 warranty!
also, the current issue with our diesel is no longer particulates, but rather (apparently) water. i sold my 2009 vw tdi sportwagen for the CMS because there is an ongoing problem with the vw diesels wherein the engine blows up.
they did not design the fuel pumps to be robust enough and, when they encounter condensation caused by water in the diesel fuel storage tanks (at gas stations), they send corrosion throughout the engine.
the not-covered-by-warranty (fuel quality problem) is easy to fix though. simply replace:
1. fuel tank
2. both fuel pumps
3. fuel lines
4. injectors and common rail
5. engine
i kid you not. there is an ongoing effort to get NHTSA to force VW into a recall or warranty guarantee. until that is complete,i would not own a vw tdi if it was out of 3/36 warranty!
That is part of it... I have spoken to a few people (rather high up) at BMW when I lived in Germany that flat out told me that they did not want to subject the engine to the quality of disel that we have here. Pretty sure they would sell fairly well if people could feel the power and see the milage they would get for their money.
I dont think the US likes diesels very much. I really do wish they were more common place.
47 mpg is amazing, I cant get more than 28 on my CMS!
3rd Gear
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This is why people scoff at Prius' etc in Europe...diesels get way better mpg in a more fun format. Most cars sold in Europe I would wager are diesels...especially mainland Europe, but the UK is going the same way.
yeah hybrids are stupid and a waste of resources. The energy cost of a prius over it's lifetime, including the energy put into making it and transporting it (including it's batteries) is FAR higher than the energy cost of a hummer.
the mini diesel engine can't be sold in the U.S. because it won't pass CARB emissions (CA). only the VW-inspired strain of blue-tec diesels will pass. and mini has no plan to redesign or license another engine design.
also, the current issue with our diesel is no longer particulates, but rather (apparently) water. i sold my 2009 vw tdi sportwagen for the CMS because there is an ongoing problem with the vw diesels wherein the engine blows up.
they did not design the fuel pumps to be robust enough and, when they encounter condensation caused by water in the diesel fuel storage tanks (at gas stations), they send corrosion throughout the engine.
the not-covered-by-warranty (fuel quality problem) is easy to fix though. simply replace:
1. fuel tank
2. both fuel pumps
3. fuel lines
4. injectors and common rail
5. engine
i kid you not. there is an ongoing effort to get NHTSA to force VW into a recall or warranty guarantee. until that is complete,i would not own a vw tdi if it was out of 3/36 warranty!
also, the current issue with our diesel is no longer particulates, but rather (apparently) water. i sold my 2009 vw tdi sportwagen for the CMS because there is an ongoing problem with the vw diesels wherein the engine blows up.
they did not design the fuel pumps to be robust enough and, when they encounter condensation caused by water in the diesel fuel storage tanks (at gas stations), they send corrosion throughout the engine.
the not-covered-by-warranty (fuel quality problem) is easy to fix though. simply replace:
1. fuel tank
2. both fuel pumps
3. fuel lines
4. injectors and common rail
5. engine
i kid you not. there is an ongoing effort to get NHTSA to force VW into a recall or warranty guarantee. until that is complete,i would not own a vw tdi if it was out of 3/36 warranty!
Yes...it's our government. To get a clean diesel certified in the US in all 50 states is a time consuming and expensive endeavor for the manufacturer. Easier to stick with gas or hybrid technology.
In addition...
Source: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...diesel/4330313
Plus there aren't as many refineries that produce diesel as gasoline, and the additives they are required to use for it to burn cleaner make the fuel more expensive.
And then some people don't like the sound of the diesel engine because they are so used to gas engines... and on and on.
In addition...
Unlike hybrids, which have a green reputation in this country, modern diesels must still overcome the reputation here of those soot-belching, unreliable oil-burners of the past. Additionally, since diesel doesn't evaporate like gasoline, the pumps are dirtier--no matter how clean those diesel engines are. And then there's another challenge for diesels--stricter U.S. emission regulations. The 50-state light-duty vehicle limit for emissions of nitrogen oxides is 0.07 grams per mile. In Western Europe, the limit is 0.29. Reducing NOx to nitrogen and oxygen is much harder with a diesel engine because the exhaust is typically cooler and contains less oxygen compared to a gas engine. To meet U.S. regulations, diesel engines are required to use complicated--and expensive--high-pressure fuel injection and after-treatment systems that in some cases inject an aqueous urea solution to handle the NOx. The added expense of course means an even longer payback period for the consumer.
Read more: Diesel Cars in Europe vs. America - Why Diesel Vehicles Are Expensive in US - Popular Mechanics
Read more: Diesel Cars in Europe vs. America - Why Diesel Vehicles Are Expensive in US - Popular Mechanics
Plus there aren't as many refineries that produce diesel as gasoline, and the additives they are required to use for it to burn cleaner make the fuel more expensive.
And then some people don't like the sound of the diesel engine because they are so used to gas engines... and on and on.
Sad but true... there is a stigma against deisel for some reason and the supply would need to be enlarged... but it still would make sense to do it, goes to show that our government, regardless of party, is in someone's pocket as clean diesel would reduce our overall fuel use based on the great MPGs. my brother-in-law has a diesel jetta and bug, both get 40+ MPG.
1st Gear
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Sad but true... there is a stigma against deisel for some reason and the supply would need to be enlarged... but it still would make sense to do it, goes to show that our government, regardless of party, is in someone's pocket as clean diesel would reduce our overall fuel use based on the great MPGs. my brother-in-law has a diesel jetta and bug, both get 40+ MPG.
we simply lack the technology as this point in time to produce an american-style engine (large displacement/hp/torque) that will pass emissions without cumbersome urea injection.
as it stands now, it's the stringent emissions standards within the u.s. that are keeping us from european-style diesel adoption. their diesels are quite dirty.
2nd Gear
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Driving a 2013 MCSa right now... If the diesel was in the US I'd be driving it... We all love torque!
2nd Gear
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From: Barcelona - Catalonia
forgot diesel, is really bad for health.. micro panrtcles and NoX are even in modern diesel cars..
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/he...-who-says.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/he...-who-says.html
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