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Old 01-12-2008, 08:31 AM
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Use paintball tank as emergency air source to fill flat tire

So I was thinking that rather than getting one of the crappy portable compressors that take forever to fill your tire why not use a small paintball gun tank?

I'm not sure if it is possible to find a correct regulator that could take the output pressure down to 100PSI.

I would think this would be a cool think to have in your car. Could strap it down in the back so it doesn't roll around.

I know the paintball tanks arre pretty slim and small.

Has anyone thought of this?
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The main question I have is whether there is enough volume to get a tire up to pressure.
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I have been using the VERY small BB gun co2 cylinders to fill Motorcycle tires for years.
The paint ball tank is to big for that use but should be pesfect fo a car tire (even if it was a bit low)
I carry fix a flat and a can of space saver tire inflator.
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found this on REI

Look at the bottom and they also have a big (er) tank/

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Inflation Zone CFH-20 CO[SIZE=2]2[/SIZE] Tank[/SIZE][/FONT]
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By Mike "TXJEEPER" Cohn
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]By now, you've certainly heard of the virtues of the various CO[SIZE=1]2[/SIZE] tanks out of the market. You probably already know that CO[SIZE=1]2[/SIZE] packs a whole lot more punch than regular old air. If you don't already know that, then you're missing out, so listen up! [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Typically, most four-wheelers use 10lb. tanks. The tanks are usually mounted on brackets inside of the vehicles and can easily be used to air up tires, run air tools, blow dust off of parts during repairs, and even run air lockers. But what if you don't have room in your rig or you just want to carry a tank to use for emergencies?[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Inflation Zone has the answer. The CFH-20 is a 20 oz. CO[SIZE=1]2[/SIZE] canister with a REHVAC variable output regulator. The regulator is operated by a trigger and can release 0-100 psi when activated. The kit also comes with a three foot long hose to connect to a tire, a needle for inflating your favorite sports ball, and a cone tip.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]If you're wondering just how much a 20 oz. tank can put out , it has the equivalent of five 5 gallon air tanks charged to 125 psi and packs an amazing 11 cubic feet of volume. So while 20 oz. may be only 1/8 the size of a 10 lb. tank, this little wine bottle-sized tank can still put out enough to get you off the trail if you need it.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]When our system arrived, I was very excited to pop open the box and check it out. The tank was nice and shiny and eager to be filled, so I made a trip to my usual CO[SIZE=1]2[/SIZE] shop, where I quickly learned that this tank is what they refer to as a "paint ball tank." They informed me that they could not fill it because of the connector being a different size than the typical larger tanks. They were, however, kind enough to tell me who in town could fill the tank for me. When we fill our 10 pound tanks, it costs us $5. When we went to the hunting shop to fill our new twenty, we paid $.25/ounce, which worked out to $5.40 including tax.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Obviously, one of the first things we wanted to know was exactly how much this little tank could do, so we headed out to the Jeep for a test. Our test tire is a BFGoodrich Mud Terrain 31x10.50x15. We made sure it was at 30psi prior to our testing.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]The test would be very basic. We would air down to 10psi and then use the tank to inflate back up to 30psi. Then we'd repeat until the tank was empty. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]We assembled the regulator onto the tank and attached the hose. What we immediately realized was that there was no easy way to check pressure while we aired up the tire. The reason is that the other end of the hose is threaded and must be screwed onto the tire valve. This is contrary to most of the other air chucks we've used which either press on momentarily or clamp on with a lever. The nice thing about the Inflation Zone setup, though, is that no CO[SIZE=1]2[/SIZE] is lost during inflation. The con, of course, is that you must continuously thread and unthread the connection to test pressure. You also cannot put a guage in-line on the hose.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Connection aside, the tank's trigger-actuated valve worked quite well and was easy to use for small spurts of CO[SIZE=1]2[/SIZE]. During our test, we got exactly two tires inflated from 10 to 30psi. The first tire took about 60 seconds, while the second took a bit longer, as we eeked out the last few bits of CO[SIZE=1]2 [/SIZE]from the tank.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]The tank has red netting around it to keep your hand from sticking to the tank during use, due to the fact that the tank exterior freezes during the extended release of CO[SIZE=1]2 [/SIZE] from the tank. The netting certainly helped keep my hand from fusing to the tank, which I certainly appreciated. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]What didn't work out so well, though, was the Inflation Zone label, which was printed on an ink jet printer. Once the ice melted, the water ran through the label and the ink ran. No big deal, as the label was easy enough to peel off and the tank looks better naked, anyway. (see update below)[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]So it was immediately obvious to us that the CFH-20 is not the end-all-be-all of CO[SIZE=1]2[/SIZE] tanks for airing up large off-road tires after a trailride. Of course, we never expected it to be, either, due to its size. The tank would prove to be quite useful for emergency situations, though, and we feel like it could be a great addition to any 4x4 that needs emergency air but is space-challenged. It would also be a wonderful accessory to keep in your street-only truck, SUV or car, as in these cases, the tank would be way more than you'd ever need in most situations.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]For our Jeep, we prefer our 10 pound tanks, so those will remain in the Jeep. Inflation Zone sells these tanks as well, but did not send one for review. Our CFH-20 will likely find itself riding in our Xterra during family trips to be used in case of emergenices, and will also find itself a home on our shop workbench and in our radio control truck travel box. It is the perfect size to use for compressed air for blowing off parts on the bench and blowing loose dirt and debris from our r/c truck.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]In order to use the tank for powering a blow gun, we will need to either order an SS-08 from Inflation Zone for $9.99 or find an adapter to use our blow gun attachment we already own or fabricate a new hose to attach to the tank. So far, we've had no luck finding the proper size parts to do it ourselves, so we'll probably just order the SS-08 and be done with it. (see update below)[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Inflation Zone sells many different models and kits of tanks, ranging from 9 ounce tanks all the way up to 10 pound tanks. The various kits are made up different accessories for the most part. For example, the MK-5 Deluxe Carpenter's Kit includes two 20 oz. tanks, a variable regulator, an air hose for tires, and a pneumatic accessory hose for running air tools. A single tank is said to be able to shoot 550 nails from a gun. The MBK-8 ten pound tank includes both a three and a six foot tire hose, a blow gun, and a 0-250psi adjustable regulator with dual guages. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]With many different kit choices available, Inflation Zone should have a tank to fit your needs.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Update:
Since the original publication of this article, Inflation Zone has sent us a replacement tank. The new tank (right) has a glossy-printed decal instead of the early-release inkjet label. In addition, they also sent us out the SS-08 Stainless Steel Needle Tip, which we have been using to make our tank into a high-powered blow gun.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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It seems like using the small Slime compressor would be the better option. It's still smaller than a bottle and its a lot safer than having a pressurized bottle inside the car. I'm just not a big fan of having a missle hazard in the back just waiting for an accident to happen.

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I don't like the small compressors and they have a tendancy to fail.

I agree that having a tank in the back can present a hazard but what do you think is on all the 18 wheelers and other trucks that use air brakes.

I think the risk is minimal and it looks like the design is pretty solid.


I saw and have the mini cartridge that is used for bicycles. The problem with that is the cartridges are expensive, 12 bucks for 3. And i'm not sure how many cartridges would be necessary to inflate a regular car tire.
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this is the complete setup. I'm think a 12 oz tank would be sufficient for emergency purposes. Thanks Cor Blmy for pointing me in the right direction.

I couldn't find the setup at www.inflationzone.com. looks like that place is no longer around.


the 20 oz. tank came from www.natchezss.com

the regulator came from www.offroadair.net

the hose is an air tool pigtail from the local napa. the fittings came from the box in my garage.

note: the co2 bottle has to have the on/off valve to work with this regulator.


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Have you found a table that tells you what PSI this tank will take your tire to?

The small/medium CO2s are barely adequate on bike tires (good for adjust air, but not much left if you start from 0).

$30 for the bottle, $50 for a regulator plus additional hose and fittings... more than I'd like to spend! I guess I will have to stick with my slime compressor.

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Nice idea, I would also like to hear how well the slime compressors work.
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I've used my Slime compressor a few times just to adjust pressure due to dropping temperatures. No problems. I've heard several people say "small compressors tend to fail" based on what they have heard, but I have yet to hear from someone that actually had one that didn't work when they needed it. I've also got a 15 year old cigarette lighter powered air compressor that's been used and abused at many autocross events throughout the years, and it still works fine. Anyway, get whatever tire inflation device that will allow you to sleep soundly at night. This one with the Slime kit (along with a plug and patch kit) keeps me rolling.
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