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I don't mean this as a negative (don't want to scare anyone off), but the top of the front strut and camber plate remind me of the same on my Megans (which, by the way, I really like now that I have the spring rates right).
BC Racing:
Megan Racing:
That aside, I've never heard of the brand. They have nice features, but the 8 kg/mm (front and rear) springs make me wonder.
on the WRX forums the saying goes that the BC are made in the same Taiwanese factory as the MEGANs.
Even if that's true, it doesn't necessarily imply anything about the quality of the parts one way or the other.
Research, development, and design generally don't happen at the factory. The factory simply receives a set of engineering specifications and tolerances, and their only responsibility is to manufacture the parts to the specifications given, within the tolerances allowed, at or below the promised price. The design could be crap, but if the factory produces the parts to spec and within tolerances, they've done their job.
Even if that's true, it doesn't necessarily imply anything about the quality of the parts one way or the other.
Research, development, and design generally don't happen at the factory. The factory simply receives a set of engineering specifications and tolerances, and their only responsibility is to manufacture the parts to the specifications given, within the tolerances allowed, at or below the promised price. The design could be crap, but if the factory produces the parts to spec and within tolerances, they've done their job.
I fully agree.
The saying also goes that this factory is making products for Apexi as well. Apexi is a well established name in the Japanese tuning world and they make good products.
Also, IMO after reading all the comments on the Megans ... no one mentioned any reliability issues, only shock travel problems and only if the car was lowered too a lot. Shock travel will often be compromised if the shock length can be adjusted. So my conclusion is that the Megans performes were well within a certain range!
god, so many choices. Now I'm confused. How is one to decide??
I want a reasonable price for some coilovers that you can take to the track once in a while and still be comfy for everyday street driving.
My price range? around $1,200.00
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100mm...13mm = 1/2" so these posses 3.84" of travel. Next question, how many inches of travel do the springs posses? I ask because every standard linear rate spring will have less travel than its barrel spring counterpart.
I'm assuming these are rebound adjustable...and that bound changes with some ratio to rebound?
It is very hard to see thru pictures, but the perches appear to be basically identical to the Megans. How much neg camber can be dialed in? The Megans allow 2.2 degrees, not enough for dedicated track work, but certainly enough for the street. The adjustability range looks to be exactly the same as the Megans.
8kg, pretty damn big rate for the street...that kind of control is typically reserved for a track.
I'm possing questions for others, not myself.
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100mm...13mm = 1/2" so these posses 3.84" of travel. Next question, how many inches of travel do the springs posses? I ask because every standard linear rate spring will have less travel than its barrel spring counterpart.
I'm assuming these are rebound adjustable...and that bound changes with some ratio to rebound?
It is very hard to see thru pictures, but the perches appear to be basically identical to the Megans. How much neg camber can be dialed in? The Megans allow 2.2 degrees, not enough for dedicated track work, but certainly enough for the street. The adjustability range looks to be exactly the same as the Megans.
8kg, pretty damn big rate for the street...that kind of control is typically reserved for a track.
I'm possing questions for others, not myself.
Are you then implying that these would be somewhat decent for track use?
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I'm asking questions on bahalf of the NAM folks. I understand your latest reply and by no means do I mean to knock the product. However, the Megan have their share of problems and this product looks very similar...I am intimately aware of Megan's shortcomings.
The questions that I posed above are critical...they relate to critical performances if you will.
blissfull,
A spring rate alone guarantees nothing. These are ~460# springs. Higher spring rates for the most part guarantee more control - responsiveness. However, these rates do not guarantee more cornering power for example...infact high spring rates can cause rather abrupt weight transfer, dilute cornering force. Whether or not these rates actually work depends upon valving characterisitics, spring travel, damper travel etc.
IMPORTIMAGE or the manufacturer need to answer these questions. The camber perch appear, with exception to how each end of the triangle is treated, to be exactly the same as Megan perches. And if so, only 2.2 degrees of neg camber can be achieved. Plenty for the street and not enough for the track. So a response of "decent enough" is not good enough. Megan has taught this community to ask for facts. And in my opinion, facts are necessary given the unmistakable visual connection to Megan.
Doesn't mean these don't work, but lets get some info first. Leave the hype out for now...if IMPORTIMAGE has a set of Megans for a pictorial comparison, perhaps a performance comparison is available too...
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I forgot to add to the above post; 100mm is the stroke length. how is this measured, on the car at the desired ride height or with the damper in hand? These two measurements will be very different. I suspect that 2" or less is all that can be expected or 52mm when these are installed.
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Hey guys and gals, sorry it's taken a bit to get in here to post replies to
your questions. We always like to ask permission from the board administrators as every forum has different rules and regulations for manufacturers/vendors.
I'd like to thank Mark Ferguson and Sam for their help in getting us in the system as soon as they could. Well, first let me explain a little about BC Racing. BC is one of the largest coilover manufacturers. BC largest source of revenue has been private label merchandise, and our clients are confidential information, so please no questions in regards to who is on the list. One thing I do want to clarify, and it was stated in the thread already is that even though one factory may produce many labels not all merchandise necessarily is the same. Every client can have their own design, specs on what they want met. I can assure you that our own label is different from others
as well. We recently introduce our BR series and Ram series (inverted) systems. These kits are one of the largest coilover setups available, with 46mm pistons, 53mm body, pillowball mounts front and rear, Camber plates on certain applications, 30 adjustable settings, ride height adjustability and backed by our 1yr warranty. Rebuilds are available, at the moment we offer core exchanges. Additional spring rates are available as well. Our goal is
to bring the consumer a affordable solution without sacrificing quality. I am not here on the board to knock other companies merchandise, that's not how we do buisness. Our customers have had nothing but great comments and reviews about our kits. We hope to have these great reviews here as well. I understand a new logo may raise eyebrows and I see alot of questions for sure. We will be in here to help assist with those questions and hopefully earn the opportunity to provide our merchandise.
I am glad to be here, and hope to be able to serve all. Thanks, Pete
those most definately are our Mini kit. I personally shot them and edited the pics. The mini BR kit has both front and rear pillowball mount, with adjustable camber plate in front.
100mm...13mm = 1/2" so these posses 3.84" of travel. Next question, how many inches of travel do the springs posses? I ask because every standard linear rate spring will have less travel than its barrel spring counterpart.
I'm assuming these are rebound adjustable...and that bound changes with some ratio to rebound?
It is very hard to see thru pictures, but the perches appear to be basically identical to the Megans. How much neg camber can be dialed in? The Megans allow 2.2 degrees, not enough for dedicated track work, but certainly enough for the street. The adjustability range looks to be exactly the same as the Megans.
8kg, pretty damn big rate for the street...that kind of control is typically reserved for a track.
I'm possing questions for others, not myself.
100mm stroke
fender to tire is 1-2cm
Camber allows 3 degrees, but your application the opening restricts this.
Without any modification 2.5. For the track user, there is the option if needed.
They are rebound adjustable, with some slight changes to compression.
We're here for your questions or anyone elses. Let me know how I can be of help.
Zippy = '02 IB/IB MC.....modified :wink:
