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Do I wish this behavior was no present? Yes. Do I wish Honda bought MINI? Uh.... No. If I wanted a Honda, I could have bought a Honda. I understand the frustration, but you gotta look at the big picture.
I HAVE A MCS! BOUGHT NEW! IT NEARLY STALLS EVERY MORNING, IT HAS TERRIBLE THROTTLE RESPONSE AND RATTLES FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER! THE ONLY TIME IT SEEMS TO RUN CORRECTLY IS AT WOT! THE DEALER CAN'T FIX IT! THE MANUFACTUER WON'T FIX IT!
THAT IS THE BIG PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
I HAVE A MCS! BOUGHT NEW! IT NEARLY STALLS EVERY MORNING, IT HAS TERRIBLE THROTTLE RESPONSE AND RATTLES FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER! THE ONLY TIME IT SEEMS TO RUN CORRECTLY IS AT WOT! THE DEALER CAN'T FIX IT! THE MANUFACTUER WON'T FIX IT!
THAT IS THE BIG PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
Keep taking it back.... on your third time contact a lemon law lawyer and have it lemoned......
Thats a bigger picture, on top of that you can probably get a replacement car or your money back.
I HAVE A MCS! BOUGHT NEW! IT NEARLY STALLS EVERY MORNING, IT HAS TERRIBLE THROTTLE RESPONSE AND RATTLES FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER! THE ONLY TIME IT SEEMS TO RUN CORRECTLY IS AT WOT! THE DEALER CAN'T FIX IT! THE MANUFACTUER WON'T FIX IT!
THAT IS THE BIG PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
Sounds like a bad apple. My car's symptoms pale in comparison. Mine's basically as enjoyable as yours is frustrating. If they can't fix it, the Lemon laws will force them to buy it back.
If you 've lost faith in MINI due to this experience, you could get something else. I hope it all works out for you.
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'05 MCS DS/B w/ Aero, M7 Pulley, IK22, JCW 380's, A'PEXi AFC2, H-Sport, SSR Comp's, Goodyear GSD3's, LSD, Sport/Premium/Cold Packs, Anthracite Headliner & Trim, Chromeline Interior, Black Leather w/ Red Cloth, HK Audio, UltraShield, Zaino, Huper Optik
I guess I should also mention that the car is brand new and had less than 500k on it. I just picked it up last Saturday. Once I tried to restart it after it died it started just fine. Also, I must complain about the crazy throttle response. I can put the pedle to the floor then read a novel. After I put the book away the car launches like a rocket. It's real nice in heavy traffic. I can't believe that after all this time that BMW has known about this that they are still alllowing it, even on cars built in July! C'mon people you can do better than that! Lookn how long they've had!!
I could be misunderstanding your post, but try launching with a few more revs. My MCS is very rpm-sensitive at the point the clutch engages. At 1100 rpm it's a dog. At 1500 rpm it's quite capable. At much more than 2000, it can easily activate the DSC or spin the tires.
Throttle position after the clutch engages makes little difference if the revs are too low, because it's a tiny engine with low compression that's entirely dependent on boost to make any real torque. It's not bad, it just takes some getting used to.
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'05 MCS DS/B w/ Aero, M7 Pulley, IK22, JCW 380's, A'PEXi AFC2, H-Sport, SSR Comp's, Goodyear GSD3's, LSD, Sport/Premium/Cold Packs, Anthracite Headliner & Trim, Chromeline Interior, Black Leather w/ Red Cloth, HK Audio, UltraShield, Zaino, Huper Optik
Does the flash affect EBD? Maybe they bled your brakes while they had it.
I can imagine the computer can control ABS and EBD but they didn't have time to bleed the brakes when it was in unless they have some super bleeder system that can do it in a few minutes.
Im sure its been noted already in this post somewhere.......There is a new ecu version id recommend getting......If you still have any problems after......We do have problems accuring with the by-pass valve not working properly. The dealers are aware of this problem ( i hope ) if it hasnt been done yet.
Sometimes on a cold start it doesnt turn over or stalls... Usually on second try it runs roughly but eventually warms up fine.
Dealer updated ecu when car was in for service. 19 days without mini since they were waiting for replacement nut or bolt for nav antenna. At least they gave me a rental car and changed oil and rotated tires for free.
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2004 Dark Silver/Black/Blue MCS, Nav, Sport, Premium, HK, tint, stripes, and a dog named Hokie.
MODEL:
2005 model year Cooper S and all with the W11 engine
COMPLAINT:
Service engine soon /eml light on. Fault code p1498 unmetered air after compressor, is stored.
CAUSE:
The plastic inlet duct at the supercharger has seperated and the plastic weld point is leaking.
MEASURE:
Replace the inlet assembly P/N 17-51-1-524-439. Measures to improve the quility of the plastic weld have been implemented.
This might not be the fix but is the only thing i found in my bulletins with what your stating. The new program version is a plus to have right off the bat.
Im sure its been noted already in this post somewhere.......There is a new ecu version id recommend getting......If you still have any problems after......We do have problems accuring with the by-pass valve not working properly. The dealers are aware of this problem ( i hope ) if it hasnt been done yet.
I took my car in for an ECU update this Monday and i still have the rough idle in the first 45 seconds of cold start with the threat of stalling.
So it doesn't seem like the newest ECU is the answer. I plan to call my Service Advisor to tell him the update did no good. But i'll print out and show him your post about the valve and see if it helps.
I took my car in for an ECU update this Monday and i still have the rough idle in the first 45 seconds of cold start with the threat of stalling.
So it doesn't seem like the newest ECU is the answer. I plan to call my Service Advisor to tell him the update did no good. But i'll print out and show him your post about the valve and see if it helps.
Thanx
I've got the same stumble and had my SC valve replaced within the first 1300 miles of ownership. :-(
I've got the same stumble and had my SC valve replaced within the first 1300 miles of ownership. :-(
I had the same thing done and the problem came back. Talked to the dealer and he stated MINI knows of the problem and is working on the fix. He put me on the watch list for when the fix is released. BTW--Mine problem is sporadic and only happens in the afternoon after work, usually when its really hot outside.
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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways (in a MINI, of course), chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
I got a cold start everyday..on my new 05MCS...I have felt a very weak star at traffic lights to a point where my car stalled today when the light got green... I thought it was me at first getting use to the new clutch/throttle but I swear..is the car.. HAs anybody felt any of this symptoms outide on the road??
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It was great meeting some NAM'ers at MTTS Boston!!
I got a cold start everyday..on my new 05MCS...I have felt a very weak star at traffic lights to a point where my car stalled today when the light got green... I thought it was me at first getting use to the new clutch/throttle but I swear..is the car.. HAs anybody felt any of this symptoms outide on the road??
That also may have something to do with the horrible throttle response It seems to be a problem with the drive by wire cars.
I got a cold start everyday..on my new 05MCS...I have felt a very weak star at traffic lights to a point where my car stalled today when the light got green... I thought it was me at first getting use to the new clutch/throttle but I swear..is the car.. HAs anybody felt any of this symptoms outide on the road??
Unless I'm mistaken, the original topic of this thread (and most of the posts) has to do with the car stalling when it's first started in the AM, even before the car is moved. It just starts, develops a very rough idle and stalls, even if there is no attempt to place the car in gear and release the clutch. My car has a mild cold start issue, but others have it much worse.
As for the problem you're discussing, and many of the throttle response comments I've heard, all I can say is my car does not exhibit this behavior. Are you sure you didn't just release the clutch with too few revs? Try again at about 1500. At 1100-1200 it does sort of bog down, but at higher revs, mine springs loff the line just fine. At least when I remember to disable the DSC that is.
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'05 MCS DS/B w/ Aero, M7 Pulley, IK22, JCW 380's, A'PEXi AFC2, H-Sport, SSR Comp's, Goodyear GSD3's, LSD, Sport/Premium/Cold Packs, Anthracite Headliner & Trim, Chromeline Interior, Black Leather w/ Red Cloth, HK Audio, UltraShield, Zaino, Huper Optik
I highly doubt all these people r poppin there clutch....you can tell if you did that......I dont know about anyone else, but im able to release the clutch slow with no throttle.....i dont do that as a normal habit but wanted to see if the car is able to control rpm .....
Yep, I've done the same thing for the same reason. You can, in fact, release the clutch slowly from idle and the car will pull away slowly. However, once underway, it will pull away slowly until you get some revs no matter if you floor it. And, if you don't have many revs you must release the clutch slowly to avoid stalling the car. This is true of all manual transmission cars. The question is whether some MINI's have a problem that exagerates this situation. Clearly there are more than a few people who think there is a problem. So far, knock on wood, my MINI is not afflicted.
Thinking about it, it comes as no surprise to anyone that a 1.6L engine makes no power down low. And the fact that our cars are supercharged doesn't help a bit until the revs come up. In reality, the slightly lower base compression ratio probably hurts it as compared to a naturally aspirated engine. You gotta keep the revs up.
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'05 MCS DS/B w/ Aero, M7 Pulley, IK22, JCW 380's, A'PEXi AFC2, H-Sport, SSR Comp's, Goodyear GSD3's, LSD, Sport/Premium/Cold Packs, Anthracite Headliner & Trim, Chromeline Interior, Black Leather w/ Red Cloth, HK Audio, UltraShield, Zaino, Huper Optik
I just purchased a 2003 MC and today was my 2nd day driving it in the 24 hours since I purchased it. Now, I have driven many, many other manuals before so I know it is not my shifting that is causing it to stall on me. She starts up just fine. I engage 1st gear and as I lift off the clutch she wants to stall and usually does so. Today I experimented with her and tried disengaging the clutch at various speeds from wicked slow to fast. I also tried adjusting the amount of throttle I gave her as well as bringing up the RPM's and dropping it at various times. None of these things helped. At times, instead of stalling, she would just bog down and buck in first gear. Giving her gas didn't smoothe her out and in fact, the RPM's didn't change either. Lastly, this is happening when the engine is both hot and cold.
Some questions:
Has anyone tried putting a resistor on the thermostat to see if it makes a difference?
When she stalls out on me, I have to turn the key off in order to restart her. Is this normal? (If the radio is on, I can't even tell if she started or not)
The throttle is a little different since its a by wire system, so you have to really be sensitive with both feet balancing the catch point. If you come off the clutch with less than 2k rpms, it tends to bog a little if you're not very smooth. This is one slightly frustrating thing, but the challenge is worth it. Any revs over 2k rpm tend not to need such dainty clutch action and can spin the wheels.... My '04 Cooper appreciates the love. And is a much better shifter than my girlfriend's Civic- she even admitted this to me last time I let her drive the Cooper.
If you're patient with the throttle who has a mind sometimes distant from the engine, you'll master it.
Plus, I have this engine stall problem with a very long start time. If it sits for more than a day or two (sad I know) it sometimes needs two tries to start. I think the summer gas is a weak excuse as well and it was exacerbated by the emissions update. Hopefully a fix will come soon.
It seems to be a problem with the drive by wire cars.
