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Car will turn over, but just wont "POP"

Parked my car sunday night, it snowed all night and I went to start my car this morning and it would not start.

It turns over, but it would not start.

I tried to spay some starting fluid down the air intake but that did absolutely nothing.

So I'm thinking it has to be something electrical like the coil pack or fuse. I really have no idea

Any help would be great! Thanks
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If you've got battery power, it's either fuel or spark.
Not sure if the old 'pull the plug, attach to plug wire, and look for spark' still works (might throw a code?), but that's one possible option.
Could be frozen fuel line (water in fuel?), but if you tried ether and got no joy, then you're correct that it's probably spark. But that stuff doesn't usually fail in a 'cold overnight' scenario. Do you smell fuel (if you keep cranking, with no spark, you should notice gas, especially if you pull a plug.)
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Checked a couple of fuses today, fuel pump (F20, 20A, inside left kick panel) and ECM; ignition coil fuel injectors; crankshaft position sensor (F02, 20A, under the bonnet. both fuses were good.

Here are some pictures of a bare ware was rubbing, just noticed it but where not touching when i tried to start the car.
I will try and tape up the wires and start it again, idk if the high voltage associated with the coil would make it arc to the metal.
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anyone have any idea on what theses wires are for?
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wheres the wire located? they trucked my Mini over to a shop in Fulton, to get it running. The starter is ruined.
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right next to the air box, i have an Alta CAI on mine, the metal housing has been rubbed and shows some bare metal
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right next to the air box, i have an Alta CAI on mine, the metal housing has been rubbed and shows some bare metal
ECU trunk? what plugs are you running?
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ECU trunk? what plugs are you running?
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its on the other side of the ECU
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That's the connector to your MAP (Manifold Air Pressure) sensor. That would make sense why it's not firing. If it doesn't see any air flow, it won't fire up. Not sure if arcing could have damaged the sensor, or if it's just not receiving the signal.
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That's the connector to your MAP (Manifold Air Pressure) sensor. That would make sense why it's not firing. If it doesn't see any air flow, it won't fire up. Not sure if arcing could have damaged the sensor, or if it's just not receiving the signal.
Yeah i was just reading in my bentley manual, i covered the bare wire and tried to start it up, no go.

Would there be a fuse for that sensor?
it has 3 wires im assuming one is for power, another for ground and the other for the output signal..

If you were to ground out the power would it just blow a fuse (if its fused)
ground out the ground... and well its grounded

but if you ground out the output signal it would read 0vdc (.6vdc-1.5vdc high vacuum, idle... 4vdc low vacuum, full throttle)
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anyone have any ideas,

I tried to hook my iphone up with the rev2 app and a PLX kiwi wifi, but i was having trouble getting it to connect.
I was going to see if it was throwing any codes. Ill just have to wait for dev toaster(makers of Rev2) to email me back,
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anyone have any ideas,

I tried to hook my iphone up with the rev2 app and a PLX kiwi wifi, but i was having trouble getting it to connect.
I was going to see if it was throwing any codes. Ill just have to wait for dev toaster(makers of Rev2) to email me back,
I have hope they will get my car to run Fri, after a starter and plug change out, if not maybe we should hire a truck and send them to Des Moines?
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Have you changed your plugs? Do you know if they see sparks? Stick a spark plug in a pulled spark plug wire, hold to a ground and see if it sparks while cranking. Don't get shocked . Unless someone knows how to do it a better modern way.
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Have you changed your plugs? Do you know if they see sparks? Stick a spark plug in a pulled spark plug wire, hold to a ground and see if it sparks while cranking. Don't get shocked . Unless someone knows how to do it a better modern way.

Yeah, ill get one tomorrow.
I can ground the plug and it should still produce spark..
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Yeah, ill get one tomorrow.
I can ground the plug and it should still produce spark..
I just bought some for the JCW at Napa, they had to order them, but you can use anything that fits in the cap to look for sparks.
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going to check for spark here in a minute waiting for a friend..

Idk if i should hope for spark or hope its the fuel system
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going to check for spark here in a minute waiting for a friend..

Idk if i should hope for spark or hope its the fuel system

hope its a good friend ... for a shock
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So I did not have spark, I used a new spark plug I found in my garage, think it was for a lawn mower. But I touched the body of the spark to a metal support under the bonnet, had a friend turn the engine over.


So could it be the coil, or the map sensor since the wire is bare.
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So I did not have spark, I used a new spark plug I found in my garage, think it was for a lawn mower. But I touched the body of the spark to a metal support under the bonnet, had a friend turn the engine over.


So could it be the coil, or the map sensor since the wire is bare.
Clutch switch?
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I figured the clutch switch was just for starting the car, because the the car doesnt turn over unless you apply the clutch
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I figured the clutch switch was just for starting the car, because the the car doesnt turn over unless you apply the clutch
yea you're probably right looked at any fuses that be blown? , anymore I hate these f..in modern cars
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how strong is your battery? a weak battery may turn the car over but not have enough voltage for the ignition to run right
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It's a yellow top

I talked to another guy he said he ended up replacing his DME module (computer)

I think I may have shorted out the DME, because of map sensor grounding if it where the power wire it may have produced Hightower current that the powe supply couldn't handle.. Still unsure going to see if I can find someone parting out a mini
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I talked to another guy he said he ended up replacing his DME module (computer)

I think I may have shorted out the DME, because of map sensor grounding if it where the power wire it may have produced Hightower current that the powe supply couldn't handle.. Still unsure going to see if I can find someone parting out a mini
Man you're on top of it swapping out parts is all we can do about now. But how does the grounded out wire cause the car not to start while it sits overnite? Did the wire move itself while car was sitting there?
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