Wheel Speed Sensor Disaster - HELLLP!!!
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Wheel Speed Sensor Disaster - HELLLP!!!
This started with the holy trinity of yellow warning lights on my R53. Ran diagnostics which returned a fault code for the right front wheel speed sensor. After replacing with a brand new one, the fault persisted. It turned out that the positive wire for the sensor in the harness had chafed through. I repaired the break with a crimp connector. The sensor now had voltage and I was feeling pretty confident that the problem was solved. Yeah, right. I re-ran diagnostics: Now it shows fault codes for BOTH front wheel speed sensors, the steering angle sensor and a sensor named "Vehicle speed sensor A" (which I cannot locate anywhere in the Bentley manual and can't identify). How did repairing one wire trash four sensors??? I'm totally bewildered. Has anyone experienced a similar situation or have ideas about what is the source/remedy for this fubar? Your kind assistance is appreciated.
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Unfortunately, the wire terminates in the block connnector that plugs into the ABS/DSC module, so replacing it looks like it would involve removing the module, installing a new OEM harness and device plugs, and bleeding the brake system - - - a fairly sizeable and likely expensive DIY job. I'll try solder first and keep your caution in mind, but I would like to know if your answers are a stand alone tech point about wire resistence or do you see a logical connection between the crimp/solder/replace wire repair and the proliferation of fault codes from four other sensors?
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Oh yeah, and when fixing ABS wiring, this is the procedure you should probably stick to:
Strip back about an inch of insulation off of all of the wires to be butt-soldered.
Holding the wires at a 90 degree angle to each other in the middle of the stripped end, start twisting the wires around each other along the wires length. This type of connection is called a "Western Union" splice.
Prime the tip of the soldering iron with a little solder. (That is the magic smoke that makes electronics work. Do not let this smoke out or the stuff will fail to operate. : ) This is called "tinning", and it allows the heat from the soldering iron to get out, and protect the tip from corrosion and burning up.
Hold the iron on the wire until a little solder flows into the wire. Now apply the solder to the point where wire and iron meet letting solder be drawn into the whole connection. Less is more here, if you can’t see the outline of the wire when you are done, yet you see a blob of solder, you used way too much.
Use a properly sized piece of heat shrink tube. The heat shrink should extend at least half an inch past your solder joint.
Strip back about an inch of insulation off of all of the wires to be butt-soldered.
Holding the wires at a 90 degree angle to each other in the middle of the stripped end, start twisting the wires around each other along the wires length. This type of connection is called a "Western Union" splice.
Prime the tip of the soldering iron with a little solder. (That is the magic smoke that makes electronics work. Do not let this smoke out or the stuff will fail to operate. : ) This is called "tinning", and it allows the heat from the soldering iron to get out, and protect the tip from corrosion and burning up.
Hold the iron on the wire until a little solder flows into the wire. Now apply the solder to the point where wire and iron meet letting solder be drawn into the whole connection. Less is more here, if you can’t see the outline of the wire when you are done, yet you see a blob of solder, you used way too much.
Use a properly sized piece of heat shrink tube. The heat shrink should extend at least half an inch past your solder joint.
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It turned out that there were more than one wire chafed through. I discovered them by peeling back the harness wrap. It turned out that the speed sensor was okay and survives to this day.
I use the Autoenginuity Scantool. It identifies which of the four sensors is at fault and is comprehensive of most, but I believe not all systems. It consists of software run on my PC laptop and a hardware interface that is BMW specific. It provides data in several useful formats (numerical and various graphic formats) that aid diagnosis, but it does not do all the work for you. for example, i recently had idling problems, which turned out to be the Tmao sensor. The software didn't read a Tmap specific code or say that was the faulty part. But it did provide data on air pressures before and after the SC from \which I deduced the identity of the faulty part. I wouldn't own a Mini without this diagnostic tool, the Bentley manuals and the support of the NAM community
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Dace,
It turned out that there were more than one wire chafed through. I discovered them by peeling back the harness wrap. It turned out that the speed sensor was okay and survives to this day.
I use the Autoenginuity Scantool. It identifies which of the four sensors is at fault and is comprehensive of most, but I believe not all systems. It consists of software run on my PC laptop and a hardware interface that is BMW specific. It provides data in several useful formats (numerical and various graphic formats) that aid diagnosis, but it does not do all the work for you. for example, i recently had idling problems, which turned out to be the Tmao sensor. The software didn't read a Tmap specific code or say that was the faulty part. But it did provide data on air pressures before and after the SC from \which I deduced the identity of the faulty part. I wouldn't own a Mini without this diagnostic tool, the Bentley manuals and the support of the NAM community
It turned out that there were more than one wire chafed through. I discovered them by peeling back the harness wrap. It turned out that the speed sensor was okay and survives to this day.
I use the Autoenginuity Scantool. It identifies which of the four sensors is at fault and is comprehensive of most, but I believe not all systems. It consists of software run on my PC laptop and a hardware interface that is BMW specific. It provides data in several useful formats (numerical and various graphic formats) that aid diagnosis, but it does not do all the work for you. for example, i recently had idling problems, which turned out to be the Tmao sensor. The software didn't read a Tmap specific code or say that was the faulty part. But it did provide data on air pressures before and after the SC from \which I deduced the identity of the faulty part. I wouldn't own a Mini without this diagnostic tool, the Bentley manuals and the support of the NAM community
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It was a toss-up between Autoenginuity and Bavarian Technic; I ended up with Bavarian Technic because they assured me it would read the ABS fault codes.
Just used it a couple of weeks ago and it reported the fault was internal to the ABS control unit. I'm not sure whether this is just a generic fault because Baravian Technic can't intepret the ABS faults correctly...that's sort of what I'm hoping
As you know the control unit is expensive so I'm going to look at cheaper options first like faulty wheel sensor or chafed wires.
Just used it a couple of weeks ago and it reported the fault was internal to the ABS control unit. I'm not sure whether this is just a generic fault because Baravian Technic can't intepret the ABS faults correctly...that's sort of what I'm hoping
As you know the control unit is expensive so I'm going to look at cheaper options first like faulty wheel sensor or chafed wires.
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im tha new guy...
Greetings great gods of minis...
I'm newly married (less than a year) and have inherited an awesome r53 (wifeys ride)...
I must say... this car is awesome, it looks great and its fun to drive! A little on the noisy side but i think its the tires. It's just as fun to drive as my 6MT G35....
now the bad....
this car is slowly catching EVERY single bad mx problem that I've ever read about (driving an infiniti, i'm only used to a crappy radio) ... I'm prepared to register with every forum in the world to get this thing back into tip-top shape...
1. Got the holy trinity light show on the interstate (approx 7-10 mins of driving 70-80mph DSC, ABS, low tire pressure illuminate simultaneously) the lights stay on until i reach my destination and then they will be on after restarting the car, but only stay on until i get to like 10mph, then they all go off (wheel speed sensor, or wire shorting/chaffing but where?)
2. Power steering fluid magically disappears and never lands on the ground? already had to replace the pump last year, and am tired of dumping 25 dolla green magic in it
3. Idle studder, at any random time it will start idling at like 200-300rpm and sounds like its gonna die (may be related to next problem)
4. GAS MILEAGE - this thing gets 23mpg no matter how you drive it, i understand 106k miles is a lot, but that is no where near the number other ppl post for their R53, i've read everything from broken plastic air duct from SC to fuel filter(changed, nasty but no result) and it has all kinds of air pressure and temp sensors...
pls help
we love our mini, but i need some help gettin her in shape!
I'm newly married (less than a year) and have inherited an awesome r53 (wifeys ride)...
I must say... this car is awesome, it looks great and its fun to drive! A little on the noisy side but i think its the tires. It's just as fun to drive as my 6MT G35....
now the bad....
this car is slowly catching EVERY single bad mx problem that I've ever read about (driving an infiniti, i'm only used to a crappy radio) ... I'm prepared to register with every forum in the world to get this thing back into tip-top shape...
1. Got the holy trinity light show on the interstate (approx 7-10 mins of driving 70-80mph DSC, ABS, low tire pressure illuminate simultaneously) the lights stay on until i reach my destination and then they will be on after restarting the car, but only stay on until i get to like 10mph, then they all go off (wheel speed sensor, or wire shorting/chaffing but where?)
2. Power steering fluid magically disappears and never lands on the ground? already had to replace the pump last year, and am tired of dumping 25 dolla green magic in it
3. Idle studder, at any random time it will start idling at like 200-300rpm and sounds like its gonna die (may be related to next problem)
4. GAS MILEAGE - this thing gets 23mpg no matter how you drive it, i understand 106k miles is a lot, but that is no where near the number other ppl post for their R53, i've read everything from broken plastic air duct from SC to fuel filter(changed, nasty but no result) and it has all kinds of air pressure and temp sensors...
pls help
we love our mini, but i need some help gettin her in shape!
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I was going to order a sensor since the PO of my car didn't fix his wheel speed sensor issue (passenger rear), but now that I've read this, I'll make it a point to inspect the wiring before ordering a new sensor.
agave, did you figure out why and/or what the wire was chafing on?
agave, did you figure out why and/or what the wire was chafing on?
After I got coilovers put on, the car dropped 1", and camber adjusted to -1.5 all around the lights are back on. Seems to happen when I pull out of my driveway and the front axle takes a weird angle. Anyway, sometimes it just comes on while I'm driving in a straight line on flat roads. I'm gonna re-investigate that same wire and hope for another break somewhere.
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Dace,
It turned out that there were more than one wire chafed through. I discovered them by peeling back the harness wrap. It turned out that the speed sensor was okay and survives to this day.
I use the Autoenginuity Scantool. It identifies which of the four sensors is at fault and is comprehensive of most, but I believe not all systems. It consists of software run on my PC laptop and a hardware interface that is BMW specific. It provides data in several useful formats (numerical and various graphic formats) that aid diagnosis, but it does not do all the work for you. for example, i recently had idling problems, which turned out to be the Tmao sensor. The software didn't read a Tmap specific code or say that was the faulty part. But it did provide data on air pressures before and after the SC from \which I deduced the identity of the faulty part. I wouldn't own a Mini without this diagnostic tool, the Bentley manuals and the support of the NAM community
It turned out that there were more than one wire chafed through. I discovered them by peeling back the harness wrap. It turned out that the speed sensor was okay and survives to this day.
I use the Autoenginuity Scantool. It identifies which of the four sensors is at fault and is comprehensive of most, but I believe not all systems. It consists of software run on my PC laptop and a hardware interface that is BMW specific. It provides data in several useful formats (numerical and various graphic formats) that aid diagnosis, but it does not do all the work for you. for example, i recently had idling problems, which turned out to be the Tmao sensor. The software didn't read a Tmap specific code or say that was the faulty part. But it did provide data on air pressures before and after the SC from \which I deduced the identity of the faulty part. I wouldn't own a Mini without this diagnostic tool, the Bentley manuals and the support of the NAM community
Happy Motoring, Jeff
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herrow everybody!
Just fixed my Item 1. (above) on my wife's 03 MCS
if you have that problem I would take off my copilot's front wheel and climb under it
we had a wire chaffing on the Crank Pulley?? kinda weird but the wire routes right next to the belt area ( Just like Act 04 said)
thx for the help peepow
also note: this problem started causing power to be cut to the motor when shifting into 2nd and 3rd, I'm guessing DSC was freakin out
Just fixed my Item 1. (above) on my wife's 03 MCS
if you have that problem I would take off my copilot's front wheel and climb under it
we had a wire chaffing on the Crank Pulley?? kinda weird but the wire routes right next to the belt area ( Just like Act 04 said)
thx for the help peepow
also note: this problem started causing power to be cut to the motor when shifting into 2nd and 3rd, I'm guessing DSC was freakin out
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I fixed mine AGAIN and it only lasted a couple hours. I need to quit doing a hack job, but I never give myself a lot of time to fix it. I might just break down and buy a new sensor.
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Wide shot where you can see the wire (the one attached to the blue plastic piece):
Zoomed in on the problem pulley:
Anyway, it seems the stock mounting point of this wire is very close to the pulley/belt. This is the result:
So I fixed it with the help of Mr. Handy, extra wire, and solder.
Then I mounted it in place so it wouldn’t happen again.
Zoomed in on the problem pulley:
Anyway, it seems the stock mounting point of this wire is very close to the pulley/belt. This is the result:
So I fixed it with the help of Mr. Handy, extra wire, and solder.
Then I mounted it in place so it wouldn’t happen again.
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My issue was found when I carried out a full transplant from a wrecked 2006 to my 2002. I needed to transplant the wiring loom and I found that the ABS control unit loom had been chafing against the metal support bracket. The ABS control unit is rubber mounted, so there is quite a lot or relative movement of the wiring loom and body of car.
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