I previously posted my results of dynoing our shop '07 MCS on a Dynapack, but this time we used our own Dynojet.



These numbers are at the WHEELS, not at the crank. So that's quite a bit of power!

Here's a comparison of an '05 MCS on the same dyno. The runs were not made on the same exact day, so take it with a grain of salt. But it's an interesting comparison.



--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

 

Everything OEM on the 07'?
Nice numbers!

 

Yes.

--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

 

From driving an 02s, and 05s and an 07s, the 07 is way faster. and your numbers prove that for sure.

 

Looks like a lot of fun lives between 3 and 4.5K!

Nice chart!

 

Very interesting. Was the '05 stock, as well? I'm a little surprised to see that the torque curve is so lumpy (I figured it'd be flatter) and that the redline seems to be lower. The overall amount of torque sure looks nice, tho!

 

no, no they don't - not on their own. There's much more to the story than that (gearing, etc). Any car with torque down low will always feel faster - we need to see instrumented tests or timeslips to know for sure. I've had as many people say the 05/06 is faster as I've had say the '07 is.

 

Yep... torque feels fast, especially to those not experienced...

 

I don't get why some people keeps saying it "feels" faster because of the torque.

Guess what? It IS faster. duh!

More torque = more speed. sheesh. you have little torque you go slow. you have more torque you go faster. What is so hard to comprehend?


Don't try to to bring up an example about a MAC truck having 1000lb/sft torque and being slower than a MINI either. Give that same MAC truck only 300lbs/ft torque and see how fast it goes.

you get several dyno graphs in front of you showing the r56 has more torque AND HP until almost 6k rpms and ya still want to argue it. get over it.

I'd love to see an 06 JCW dyno superimposed on that too. I think that would really upset some people - not the r56 camp either.

 

Thats right it is fast, and faster that the JCW sorry guys

 

Yes.

Me too. We talked about this in another thread, but basically the boost comes on and then is reduced by the ECU, then it comes back on. They all do it, it seems.

I was surprised by the way the redline works, too. The car just stops accelerating at that point. It doesn't rev cut -- it just reduces throttle or something. It's kind of odd.

--Dan
Mach V
FastMINI.net

 

Guys, what does a 03 typically dyno at?
Just curious.

 

I read that the Society of Automotive Engineers[SAE] rewrote the proceedures for measuring HPand Torque to reflect real world conditions. In the past engines were tested "nude" with no AC and Power steering pumps etc. Hence HP/torque numbers were artifically high without the power sapping acsessories. This accounts for much of the descrepancy between 06 and 07 models.

 

.... and for some that may not already know hp is actually DIRECTLY proportional to torque


hp = torque x rpm/5252


That is why you always see the hp & torque curves cross at 5252rpm

 

there are a multitude of cars that are 'fast' without having good low-end torque. A Honda S2000 smokes an R56 but using the torque numbers, your assumption says it's the other way around.

dyno plots != real world speed. get over it!

Nobody doubts the R56 is fast enough. Taking dyno plots and claiming it's quicker than ______ is pointless. Show me real word numbers please....back to back instrumented testing or 1/4 timeslips vs. the R53. They are much different character cars....neither is considered 'fast' in my book however.

 

On the S2000... I own one, a 2005. I also own a 2007 Cooper S (and a Honda Accord, but we can guess that's not my fun car).

I can guarantee the cooper will beat the S2k off the line, only because I'm not willing to rev to vtech and drop the clutch on my car and the Cooper has a TON more low end torque. But I also know, that while the Cooper pulls very hard, the S2k pulls a LOT harder once you're in the power band, especially once you're in 2nd gear. Plus nothing like an 8200 RPM redline.

Anyway, they're both great cars. And neither one is a drag car. They are both amazing on the twisties.

If I wanted a 1/4 car or one that's fast in a straight line, there are lots of options for that. Great drivers cars for real roads? Not a whole lot of those, especially at moderate prices.

 

It is hard to comprehend because it aint so...

 

Other way around, advertised horsepower dropped slightly after the revised SAE measurement standards, making the difference between R53 and R56 even more pronounced.

 

Thanks Dan. Looking forward to the mods you'll be doing and what kind of gains you'll accomplish in HP and Torque.

 

Not to jack this thread... but that is a killer R56 in your SIG line... can you post some picts or a link to picts?

 

How/why (besides blind automotive pride) would someone argue that a heavier R53 with less hp and less torque is faster than the R56. I can understand why the JCW and GP owners get all worked up at the suggestion that the R56 may be faster in a straight line (and I'd like to see some real numbers before I make any conclusions myself), but are people really arguing that the R53 is faster?

 

BMW is probably the only company that advertises hp/torque values at the wheel. I am very thrilled. Still about 55 days to go...

 

Not until these turbo cars...
Probably protecting the sales of R53 Minis... same thing with 335s hp rating
protecting sales of E46 M3s...

Then the following year then can increase the hp rating doing virtually
nothing to the car...

 

wow! thats a huge diff.. so now im curious how these compare with the srt4 in terms of speed/power

 

BMW, like all other manufacturers, lists crank hp. The MCS is just underrated from the factory and I don't think that Dan's Mini is anomalous in producing so much more than advertised hp/tq figures because every dyno pull posted on NAM has been in line with the results that Mach V posted.

The SRT-4 will toast the MCS in a drag race, not sure about the track but I would imagine that a course with long sweepers and fewer sharp turns would favor the SRT-4 while a tighter course, esp an auto-x, would belong to the Mini.