R50/53 Stock MCS exhaust burns leg - photo
#26
Sorry to hear about your son. I hope he is OK, although this being the 3rd time, one begins to wonder.....
I, for one, see no reason to change the location of the pipes. I have an aftermarket Supersprint exhasut, and it has swept-up DTM style tips that stick out considerably farther than stock and I have not hit my legs in the year I have owned it.
The tow hook on the front bumper is another story.... I whacked it once with my shin, and guess what......it has not happened since. Go figure.
I, for one, see no reason to change the location of the pipes. I have an aftermarket Supersprint exhasut, and it has swept-up DTM style tips that stick out considerably farther than stock and I have not hit my legs in the year I have owned it.
The tow hook on the front bumper is another story.... I whacked it once with my shin, and guess what......it has not happened since. Go figure.
#29
Originally Posted by ImagoX
They could easily design a heat shield or something else that would make it safer, is all I'm saying. .
When driving, standing at idle, and parking the vehicle, take care to avoid contact between the hot exhaust system and flammable materials, e.g. hay, grass, leaves, etc. Such contact could lead to a fire resulting in serious personal injury and property damage.
Does anyone read their manual?
How can it be more clear than that?????
#30
Originally Posted by MGCMAN
Ya know, I had a stove do that once to me. hmmm, why isn't there a warning sequence that one has to go through every time someone turns on the burner? I don't see a design flaw in this, more like an issue of not paying attention to your sourroundings.
Be alert, the world needs more lerts.
moral of this story: some things by their very nature are designed to heat up. Don't be surprised when the laws of thermodynamics are applied to the unwary.
Be alert, the world needs more lerts.
moral of this story: some things by their very nature are designed to heat up. Don't be surprised when the laws of thermodynamics are applied to the unwary.
#31
#32
Originally Posted by Gromit801
I read a definition of insanity once that went like this: Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.
#33
1. Findude never said it happened to the same person more than once. I assumed it happened to three different people - hence the idea it might be a design issue.
2. When opening the boot, most people stand dead center to the car. Right where they put the handle. Right where the MCS has the exhaust. Since the back lifts up on the hardtop, I would imagine that someone would lean into the car (meaning get close) to unload. On most other cars, the exhaust is off to one side or the other. I can easily see where someone who is not expecting it get inadvertantly burned. We can't even say that the MINI is not "most other cars". The MC exhaust is on one side. Why couldn't the dual exhaust have been split to either side like a lot of others?
Yes, caution is always called for, but there have been three people who have gotten hurt on this particular car. It's just not right to make fun of Findude when s/he's being concerned for others.
2. When opening the boot, most people stand dead center to the car. Right where they put the handle. Right where the MCS has the exhaust. Since the back lifts up on the hardtop, I would imagine that someone would lean into the car (meaning get close) to unload. On most other cars, the exhaust is off to one side or the other. I can easily see where someone who is not expecting it get inadvertantly burned. We can't even say that the MINI is not "most other cars". The MC exhaust is on one side. Why couldn't the dual exhaust have been split to either side like a lot of others?
Yes, caution is always called for, but there have been three people who have gotten hurt on this particular car. It's just not right to make fun of Findude when s/he's being concerned for others.
#34
Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
findude/ImagoX- if the exhaust tips concern you, any muffler shop can set them further back, or cut them off and replace them with non-protruding tips.
Hope the boy heals quickly. If it makes him feel better, have him tell people he was attacked by a giant squid, but got away!
Hope the boy heals quickly. If it makes him feel better, have him tell people he was attacked by a giant squid, but got away!
What I'm saying is that, in my opinion, this placement is a bad decision, or at the least that anything that hot should be sheilded. Products are refined and enhanced all the time to incorporate a higher degree of safety and precision - remember that it wasn't too long ago that seat belts were completely optional, for example.
I'm sure that many people, when the debate over first making the INSTALLATION (not use, simply their inclusion) of seatbelts mandatoy in motor vehicles said many of the things I'm hearing above... "Well, if you plan to drive fast then you shoud tell your dealer to install a seat belt... me, I don't need them and neither do my kids because I have the common sense to not get in an accident," etc. We all remember back when a kid in a car seat was an oddity - now we cringe at even the THOUGHT of a kid unrestrained in a car. This is a Very Good Thing, in my opinion.
The world is an imperfect place, and accidents happen. I design products for a living, and I can tell you that good product design always strives to anticipate not only what PROBABLY will happen but what MIGHT happen as well, and strives to fix any potential issues before they occur while allowing the product to do its job in the most efficient way possible. This is doubly important when a simple accident or lapse in concentration may lead to physical injury, such as we see above.
So, OK, you disagree. You think it's silly to fix what you don't feel is broken. Luckily for all of us that SOME people DO think about this stuff, and you should be thanking them every time you strap on a seat belt, get restrained by an air bag or keep from driving off the road when your antilock brakes keep you from losing control on a rainy street because, hey, stuff should be as safe as possible.
#35
Originally Posted by ImagoX
They could easily design a heat shield or something else that would make it safer...
Naaaa....hang them waaaay out and make sure it's flat black...then stand back and watch the action Seriously, "don't touch the car" is what tell my kid and no ones' been hurt yet...
#36
#37
I actually wonder of that may be SAFER, since it's so visible... The stock tips LOOK like they are beneath the curve of the bumper, but obviously, they're not, hence the burns on multiple people.
Of course, mothing's more visible than a completely exposed motorcycle pipe, and I think EVERYONE that's ridden long enough has been burnt by one at least once...
Of course, mothing's more visible than a completely exposed motorcycle pipe, and I think EVERYONE that's ridden long enough has been burnt by one at least once...
#38
Originally Posted by ImagoX
What I'm saying is that, in my opinion, this placement is a bad decision, or at the least that anything that hot should be sheilded.
If I follow your reasoning, what do you do with hot stove tops? Not cook?
What if you have a wood burning stove? Go ahead and touch the top of one of those things and see if you dont get burnt.
However ... the manual will CLEARLY tell you NOT to touch the hot oven. You do .... then duh.
#39
Originally Posted by chows4us
Your line of reasoning makes no sense. Read your manual. It clearly warns you not to touch it.
If I follow your reasoning, what do you do with hot stove tops? Not cook?
What if you have a wood burning stove? Go ahead and touch the top of one of those things and see if you dont get burnt.
However ... the manual will CLEARLY tell you NOT to touch the hot oven. You do .... then duh.
If I follow your reasoning, what do you do with hot stove tops? Not cook?
What if you have a wood burning stove? Go ahead and touch the top of one of those things and see if you dont get burnt.
However ... the manual will CLEARLY tell you NOT to touch the hot oven. You do .... then duh.
But... whatever man. Really. :impatient
Eventually one of two things will happen... someone at Mini will say "hey, I hear that people are accidentally hitting that hot pipe despite the warning in the manual - we should fix that in the next iteration" (likely), or someone will do something weird like a lady in a skirt will lean into the trunk, get burned, will finch away and slip on the ice, bang their head, miscarry, then will sue Mini for $16 million dollars (unlikely - but weirder things have happened, believe me) and THEN it will get fixed via mandatory recall, driving up everyone's cost.
#40
Originally Posted by chows4us
Your line of reasoning makes no sense. Read your manual. It clearly warns you not to touch it.
If I follow your reasoning, what do you do with hot stove tops? Not cook?
What if you have a wood burning stove? Go ahead and touch the top of one of those things and see if you dont get burnt.
However ... the manual will CLEARLY tell you NOT to touch the hot oven. You do .... then duh.
If I follow your reasoning, what do you do with hot stove tops? Not cook?
What if you have a wood burning stove? Go ahead and touch the top of one of those things and see if you dont get burnt.
However ... the manual will CLEARLY tell you NOT to touch the hot oven. You do .... then duh.
No.
Of course we know not to purposely touch a hot exhaust pipe. Of course we know not to purposely touch a hot stove. That's just common sense.
What the original message in this thread was trying to address was whether a modified design could prevent accidental contact. That's all. That's what I believe ImagoX is trying to get across.
There. Simple message since I don't thnk you're reading ImagoX's messages all the way through.
#41
When driving, standing at idle, and parking the vehicle, take care to avoid contact between the hot exhaust system and flammable materials, e.g. hay, grass, leaves, etc. Such contact could lead to a fire resulting in serious personal injury and property damage.
Actually, the above quote from the manual doesn't warn you not to touch or put your body parts in contact with the hot exhaust system, it tells you not to place flammable materials in contact with the exhaust.
Seriously, it is all a tempest in a teapot. Sorry to hear your son and two others got burned on the exhaust tips. I never would have thought about the chance of coming in contact with the exhaust tips while reaching into the boot.
#42
Sorry that anyone gets hurt! I, too, leaned against the tailpipes while reaching far inside the boot and, sure enough, have a crescent-branded left shin to prove that I associate with a MCS. (This was not a bad burn for me, however. It could have been worse--and I would have been much more upset if it had been my wife or a child.) I've been around cars all my life and I know that the tailpipes are hot, but I was surprised by getting into these. Definitely a new experience. (It also occurs to me that I haven't warned my wife about this--although she has yet to actually pry the MCS out of my hands long enough for her to experience much of anything about the car other than what it is like to motor in the first mate seat!) It would be good for you to provide feedback on this problem to MINI. Likewise for anyone else who has been really injured. For future versions, they might just take some step(s) to improve the situation, even if just to clearly warn unwary new owners.
#43
Originally Posted by rhawth99
Actually, the above quote from the manual doesn't warn you not to touch or put your body parts in contact with the hot exhaust system, it tells you not to place flammable materials in contact with the exhaust.
Seriously, it is all a tempest in a teapot. Sorry to hear your son and two others got burned on the exhaust tips. I never would have thought about the chance of coming in contact with the exhaust tips while reaching into the boot.
#44
#45
Originally Posted by ImagoX
This is NOT a motorcycle and, for better or worse, constant safety upgrades to vehicles have left us with the expectation that we do not need to watch out for things like red-hot pipes sticking back from our cars.
Exhaust = hot
Fire = hot
Heat burns.
Don't touch hot things.
Be aware of what is around you.
I haven't seen a recall on the tops of grills (the cooking not automotive type) and they look the same hot or cold and are easy to lean against.
I've been burned by the tips and it will only happen once. The MINI had been off for 1/2 hour to an hour (enough time to cool the tip with past cars) I was cleaning it and decided I didn't like the deposits that were on the tips ssssss not happening again.
One thing you may want to try is take an allan wrench and remove the chrome tips, then the actual tips won't stick out as far (and I prefer the look of the black tips on my black MINI but thats another story)
Yucca I think they'll need to make the wings logo into the tips before the exhaust branding craze takes off.
#46
Originally Posted by litabelle
I don't understand your continued argument. Do you think people actually meant to touch the exhaust and get burned?
No.
Of course we know not to purposely touch a hot exhaust pipe. Of course we know not to purposely touch a hot stove. That's just common sense.
What the original message in this thread was trying to address was whether a modified design could prevent accidental contact. That's all. That's what I believe ImagoX is trying to get across.
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No.
Of course we know not to purposely touch a hot exhaust pipe. Of course we know not to purposely touch a hot stove. That's just common sense.
What the original message in this thread was trying to address was whether a modified design could prevent accidental contact. That's all. That's what I believe ImagoX is trying to get across.
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How can that be when the manual clearly states the exhuast is HOT???? I really do not think people read the manual. You have been warned ... clearly.
Can a modified design prevent contact? Maybe, maybe not. Do you really think the BMW engineers didn't think of this or just let it go??? Maybe they thought "Hey, how many ppl are going to burn their legs so we'll just forget about it?"
You really don't want any exhaust under the car where the fumes come come up into the cabin. There is a logical reason why tailpipes stick out ... so CO goes out the back and not knock you out while driving
Lets be a bit realistic here. READ your manual. Follow the directions and you won't get hurt. Since MINI clearly warned you of the consequences, trying to get them to do anything would be pointless since it would also then effect EVERY car maker ...
However, feel free to fight city hall. I can respect that.
#47
Originally Posted by chows4us
I don't understand what you are all complaining about. At least my manual clearly states ...
When driving, standing at idle, and parking the vehicle, take care to avoid contact between the hot exhaust system and flammable materials, e.g. hay, grass, leaves, etc. Such contact could lead to a fire resulting in serious personal injury and property damage.
Does anyone read their manual?
How can it be more clear than that?????
When driving, standing at idle, and parking the vehicle, take care to avoid contact between the hot exhaust system and flammable materials, e.g. hay, grass, leaves, etc. Such contact could lead to a fire resulting in serious personal injury and property damage.
Does anyone read their manual?
How can it be more clear than that?????
Only Metrosexuals and Chicks read the stink'n manuals.
#49
#50
Originally Posted by JackMac
Thanks for the heads-up.
Guys, cut some slack here. It was his son who got the burn, so saying "you should know better" may not apply to a kid.
Guys, cut some slack here. It was his son who got the burn, so saying "you should know better" may not apply to a kid.