R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006) Cooper (R50) and Cooper S (R53) hatchback discussion.

R50/53 r53 supercharged accessport or any kind of Handheld Tuners

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 11-22-2016, 06:33 PM
caffeinatedmini's Avatar
caffeinatedmini
caffeinatedmini is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: California
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
r53 supercharged accessport or any kind of Handheld Tuners

Hey there guys,


new here with my Mini. been a big Mini fan for awhile and finally got my hands on and don't plan on getting rid of her for a long time, with that being said ive already begun to do mods to her with an intake and pulley reduction.


not sure what is next on the list (which is pretty big) but one of things I was curious about is if there is any kind of device that could be put inside to monitor the engine as well make on-the-fly adjustments like an accessport would do for a turboed motor??????????


ive seen things like the Flux 2 OBD Monitor Module and the ScanGauge, wanted to see if there was anything else? and what you all thought about them?


thank you very much!!!
 
  #2  
Old 11-22-2016, 06:40 PM
IQRaceworks's Avatar
IQRaceworks
IQRaceworks is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,338
Received 113 Likes on 94 Posts
You can get a scangauge to monitor certain things on the motor, but as far as a tuner that lets you makes changes on the fly......nothing is available.

To be honest, the options for tuning your mini are pretty limited. You can get a "Canned Tune" from a few different people...you send them your DME and they will program it with the new tune and main it back to you. Or you can take your car to a select few places around the US and have your car dyno tuned.......those are about your only options.

The
 
  #3  
Old 11-23-2016, 02:34 PM
nkfry's Avatar
nkfry
nkfry is offline
Vendor - Detroit Tuned 15 Years
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Clawson, MI
Posts: 1,859
Likes: 0
Received 33 Likes on 32 Posts
Only two tuners I would recommend will be RMW or Mynes (Byetroniks), but as for heads up displays; you can get an OBD adapter to monitor everything the DME sees and have it linked to your phone or tablet, as well as the obvious options of a Scangauge.
 
__________________
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic151635_2.gif
MINI Specialists * Parts * Performance * Service
Phone:586-792-6464
Info@DetroitTuned.com
Nick@DetroitTuned.com
  #4  
Old 11-23-2016, 03:55 PM
Jolly Rogrrrr's Avatar
Jolly Rogrrrr
Jolly Rogrrrr is offline
2nd Gear
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Kingsport, TN
Posts: 87
Received 6 Likes on 3 Posts
I have Torque loaded on tablet

Look for Torque diagnostics on line. Neat program for your tablet to monitor all sorts of functions.
 
  #5  
Old 11-23-2016, 10:14 PM
WayMotorWorks's Avatar
WayMotorWorks
WayMotorWorks is offline
Vendor
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 10,557
Received 757 Likes on 618 Posts
The way the tune files load on the R53 prevents them from working like an accessport. We do tuning all the time and you can even ship your ECU to us for a tune if you want. But for an R53 the tune is the last mod as you use it to pull all the mods together.

As for getting data from the ECU there are many different tools out there, if you can get one that logs it as it will allow you to review your data.
 
__________________


HOTCHKIS | DDM | CRAVEN | AKRAPOVIC | NM ENGINEERING | MEGAN | FORGE | IE | OS GIKEN | POWERFLEX and more
  #6  
Old 11-24-2016, 06:53 AM
Mrfoca's Avatar
Mrfoca
Mrfoca is offline
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Glen Burnie MD
Posts: 145
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by WayMotorWorks
The way the tune files load on the R53 prevents them from working like an accessport. We do tuning all the time and you can even ship your ECU to us for a tune if you want. But for an R53 the tune is the last mod as you use it to pull all the mods together.

As for getting data from the ECU there are many different tools out there, if you can get one that logs it as it will allow you to review your data.
So once I did my pulley and exhaust I could send the computer to you ? What kind of gains can someone expect from this
 
  #7  
Old 11-24-2016, 09:58 AM
TLMCS05's Avatar
TLMCS05
TLMCS05 is offline
3rd Gear
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Fairburn, GA
Posts: 282
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When Way mentioned The tune being the last modification you want to do he is spot on

Having removed more mods that most people will ever put on their car as a trial and error long going process , the tune will bring all of your components together to generate maximum efficiency horsepower and torque

Also consider what you want the end result to be. Are you going to be playing on the track on weekends? Are you wanting a surprise sleeper on the street? How are you set to deal with turning wrenches yourself? And of course how much money are you planning on spending? I have modified my car about as much as you can a r53 since I bought it new in 05 I have spent more on the car modifying it then I paid for it and at 278,000 miles still at it .

Good luck on your adventure and happy spending Er um motoring that is
 
  #8  
Old 11-25-2016, 04:39 PM
WayMotorWorks's Avatar
WayMotorWorks
WayMotorWorks is offline
Vendor
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 10,557
Received 757 Likes on 618 Posts
Originally Posted by Mrfoca
So once I did my pulley and exhaust I could send the computer to you ? What kind of gains can someone expect from this
yes we offer a basic tune for that
https://www.waymotorworks.com/wmw-ec...-cooper-s.html

But if you are looking for big gains you will want to do a custom dyno tune later, but only after you have done all the mods like cam, header, exh, so on.
 
__________________


HOTCHKIS | DDM | CRAVEN | AKRAPOVIC | NM ENGINEERING | MEGAN | FORGE | IE | OS GIKEN | POWERFLEX and more
  #9  
Old 11-26-2016, 04:35 PM
caffeinatedmini's Avatar
caffeinatedmini
caffeinatedmini is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: California
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you all for your information on the matter. As far turning my own wrenches and money, I work hard so I can play hard and to add to the madness we have our own family shop between all four of us My grandfather, cousin, brother and myself we have pretty much every tool needed to complete the job! :D im super stoked to be building this mini, ive never owned a super charged car and didn't know if there was like a cobb like tuner for her as I have had before
 
  #10  
Old 11-28-2016, 05:24 PM
IQRaceworks's Avatar
IQRaceworks
IQRaceworks is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,338
Received 113 Likes on 94 Posts
Originally Posted by Mrfoca
So once I did my pulley and exhaust I could send the computer to you ? What kind of gains can someone expect from this
Don't waste your time messing with your tune with only an exhaust and pulley. Wait until you do more mods like a header, big valve head, or cam....those mods require bigger injectors, and bigger injectors require a new tune.

Trust me....don't waste your time on a tune with just a pulley and exhaust, put that money into something else.
 
  #11  
Old 11-29-2016, 07:44 AM
Mrfoca's Avatar
Mrfoca
Mrfoca is offline
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Glen Burnie MD
Posts: 145
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by IQRaceworks
Don't waste your time messing with your tune with only an exhaust and pulley. Wait until you do more mods like a header, big valve head, or cam....those mods require bigger injectors, and bigger injectors require a new tune.

Trust me....don't waste your time on a tune with just a pulley and exhaust, put that money into something else.
Good to know. I have a 17% pulley kit at the house. Besides exhaust I'm probably not doing much more for a while. Sprint booster any good ?
 
  #12  
Old 11-29-2016, 10:14 AM
nkfry's Avatar
nkfry
nkfry is offline
Vendor - Detroit Tuned 15 Years
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Clawson, MI
Posts: 1,859
Likes: 0
Received 33 Likes on 32 Posts
Originally Posted by Mrfoca
Good to know. I have a 17% pulley kit at the house. Besides exhaust I'm probably not doing much more for a while. Sprint booster any good ?
Don't waste the money on a Sprint Booster if you plan on tuning the car.

There is power to gain, and throttle response to tweak with a tune. While you gain more with more mods prior to tuning a quick CAN tune can gain you about 10 HP+ but you need to either send the ECU out, be at a mod party, at Dragon, or buy loading software.

The throttle response can be adjusted via a tune so wasting the money on a Sprint Booster with the intent to tune loses you money in the long run.
 
__________________
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic151635_2.gif
MINI Specialists * Parts * Performance * Service
Phone:586-792-6464
Info@DetroitTuned.com
Nick@DetroitTuned.com
  #13  
Old 11-29-2016, 10:18 AM
Mrfoca's Avatar
Mrfoca
Mrfoca is offline
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Glen Burnie MD
Posts: 145
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by nkfry
Don't waste the money on a Sprint Booster if you plan on tuning the car.

There is power to gain, and throttle response to tweak with a tune. While you gain more with more mods prior to tuning a quick CAN tune can gain you about 10 HP+ but you need to either send the ECU out, be at a mod party, at Dragon, or buy loading software.

The throttle response can be adjusted via a tune so wasting the money on a Sprint Booster with the intent to tune loses you money in the long run.
Gotcha. I was wondering if a tune did eliminate that as my mustang it did. Thanks for the heads up. So with few mods it's not even worth getting a small tune done ?
 
  #14  
Old 11-29-2016, 12:20 PM
nkfry's Avatar
nkfry
nkfry is offline
Vendor - Detroit Tuned 15 Years
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Clawson, MI
Posts: 1,859
Likes: 0
Received 33 Likes on 32 Posts
Originally Posted by Mrfoca
Gotcha. I was wondering if a tune did eliminate that as my mustang it did. Thanks for the heads up. So with few mods it's not even worth getting a small tune done ?
A tune on a car with bolt ons is a noticeable difference, but having a bit more fuel would net you a bit more power and lower your injector duty cycle. You can source 380cc injectors online for wayyyy cheaper than the JCW blue bodies too, USRT (Usually Sideways Rally Team) sells Genesis 380s for about $275 for a set of four and they have the same twin cone spray pattern that is required for these cars, they are also a bolt in component, no spacers or harness adapters needed.

But to answer your question, yes, you will notice a difference in power and how it comes on with minor bolt ons and a quick tune.
 
__________________
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic151635_2.gif
MINI Specialists * Parts * Performance * Service
Phone:586-792-6464
Info@DetroitTuned.com
Nick@DetroitTuned.com
  #15  
Old 11-29-2016, 12:26 PM
Mrfoca's Avatar
Mrfoca
Mrfoca is offline
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Glen Burnie MD
Posts: 145
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by nkfry
A tune on a car with bolt ons is a noticeable difference, but having a bit more fuel would net you a bit more power and lower your injector duty cycle. You can source 380cc injectors online for wayyyy cheaper than the JCW blue bodies too, USRT (Usually Sideways Rally Team) sells Genesis 380s for about $275 for a set of four and they have the same twin cone spray pattern that is required for these cars, they are also a bolt in component, no spacers or harness adapters needed.

But to answer your question, yes, you will notice a difference in power and how it comes on with minor bolt ons and a quick tune.
Dang man you seem to know these cars. Appreciate all of the information. Sorry for all of the questions but you guys seem really knowledgeable and want to soak up some info on mods. Mainly looking for a street car that's not past the realm of reliability.
 
  #16  
Old 11-29-2016, 12:32 PM
nkfry's Avatar
nkfry
nkfry is offline
Vendor - Detroit Tuned 15 Years
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Clawson, MI
Posts: 1,859
Likes: 0
Received 33 Likes on 32 Posts
Originally Posted by Mrfoca
Dang man you seem to know these cars. Appreciate all of the information. Sorry for all of the questions but you guys seem really knowledgeable and want to soak up some info on mods. Mainly looking for a street car that's not past the realm of reliability.
No problem, it's why we're here. Better to ask questions first and make the correct choice vs spending the money twice or three times over to finally get the desired outcome.

Let us know if there is anything we can do to help further your driving experience.
 
__________________
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic151635_2.gif
MINI Specialists * Parts * Performance * Service
Phone:586-792-6464
Info@DetroitTuned.com
Nick@DetroitTuned.com
  #17  
Old 11-29-2016, 01:47 PM
caffeinatedmini's Avatar
caffeinatedmini
caffeinatedmini is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: California
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I love coming on to the forums to see what people are saying, I learn something new everytime! super happy I joined this forum.
 




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:22 PM.