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That is for a 2002-2004 steering wheel. I loved that wheel with the back buttons for the stereo and the better feeling cruise control in the front. US regulations killed the 2-spoke wheel after the 2004 MY but it is still sold in new MINIs elsewhere in the world.
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What kind of regulations took out the 2-spoke wheel?
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I believe it did not comply with the dual stage airbags fitted to MY 2005 MINIs with the 3 spoke wheel.

There are 2005 - 2008 R53 and R52 MINIs elsewhere in the world with the old 2 spoker wheel from factory.

I'll research it a little more.
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Have you got a photo from the accelerator pedal sensor?
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This is the MINI retrofit kit as ordered from the dealership. I can't wait to get this installed.
I'm so jealous. When I was looking to adopt a previously motored MINI, I really did not want to buy one without cruise control. However, the economy was better then and all I could afford was a 2002 without it. I still want to add it because I drive from Austin to Houston quite a bit and my cerebral cruise control does not always work. Would you mind sharing with me how much you paid for the retrofit kit? I think my brother could install it for me.
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What did the kit cost?

You say you ordered it from the dealer? Part number?

How has the install gone? did ya git er done?
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Have you got a photo from the accelerator pedal sensor?
No sorry.

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Would you mind sharing with me how much you paid for the retrofit kit? I think my brother could install it for me.
My cost was quite a bit lower than what the typical customer would pay. I work for the dealership and have a club discount as well. The parts for somebody without those was just under $1000.

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What did the kit cost?

You say you ordered it from the dealer? Part number?

How has the install gone? did ya git er done?
1. See above response
2. Don't have my invoice with me; it's in my car. See response below
3. Install has not gone well so far. Got the new wheel installed and the audio controls work, but it has no power to the cruise control. The tech has been working after hours to solve the issue, but now we are waiting on an additional part. (long story, but something broke)

I haven't forgotten about posting an update to this thread for those interested, because i certainly would like to share the information i've gotten regarding this kit; and considering i have inside information working at the dealership and working with the tech who's doing the installation for me. I just haven't had a real update worth posting yet. I should hopefully know something worthwhile early next week.
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Please keep us up-to-date with your progress. I have a 2006 MCS that I ordered without the MFSW. I'm still kicking myself for having not chosen that option.

I have investigated the retrofit kit for my car. I have a printed copy of the latest instruction (March 2006 edition) from my dealer. I got them within the last 2 months, so I assume that will be the last edition of the instructions.

Here's what I have learned about the retrofit for my 2006.
  • Kit 65-71-0-395-006 retrofits cars with the sports steering wheel. If you don't have the sports steering wheel, you have to buy one. The price of the kit without the steering wheel is approximately $350.
  • Installation requires 3.5 hours for all R50s, R52s, and R53s. None of the first generation cars appear to be pre-wired. There are some minor differences in some years related to the clutch pedal switch, but the 3.5 hours seems to be the same for all years.
  • The kit requires the installation of a wiring harness that runs from the ECU, to the steearing wheel, and across to the passenger's side kick panel. It appears that the harness has pins attached that need to push into the existing wiring harness connectors. I don't know how hard it is to push the pins into the connectors without breaking the connectors.
  • Once it is all wired, the dealer or someone with the SSS application has to code the computer to recognize the cruise.
My dealer said that they had never done the installation and said that they would charge me for 7 hours because it was too risky for them to charge me for 3.5. All in, it would cost me approximately $1100. That seemed ridiculous to me.

I am currently considering installing the kit myself then having the dealer code the computer.

If anyone on this forum has actually installed the kit, I would love to hear about their experience.
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I don't know if it would work on a MINI but I used an Audiovox Cruise Control on my 1979 MGB. It worked GREAT. I needed it because the gas pedal location and seating quickly lead to extreme leg cramps. It was nice to set it on long highway runs up to Lake George. At the time (about 1998) it was $68.Amazon shows it for $90 now.
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  • The kit requires the installation of a wiring harness that runs from the ECU, to the steering wheel, and across to the passenger's side kick panel. It appears that the harness has pins attached that need to push into the existing wiring harness connectors. I don't know how hard it is to push the pins into the connectors without breaking the connectors.
  • Once it is all wired, the dealer or someone with the SSS application has to code the computer to recognize the cruise.
Currently still waiting on a connector to be flown over from Germany; est. arrival is Tuesday. The pins are a real pain and have given the most frustration up to this point. As stated in my last post; i certainly have not forgotten about this thread, and it's my true intention to let everybody know how it goes. It's just a waiting game right now.
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Currently still waiting on a connector to be flown over from Germany; est. arrival is Tuesday. The pins are a real pain and have given the most frustration up to this point. As stated in my last post; i certainly have not forgotten about this thread, and it's my true intention to let everybody know how it goes. It's just a waiting game right now.
I just need to know or see the parts i need...!
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I just need to know or see the parts i need...!

This should help ;

http://www.outmotoring.com/images/ho..._MFSW_gen1.PDF
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My dealer said that they had never done the installation and said that they would charge me for 7 hours because it was too risky for them to charge me for 3.5.
Funny how dealers never charge you less for jobs completed in less time than the standard quote, though!
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Small update: Retrofit Kit Part # as ordered my from dealership is:

65-71-0-029-494

The job is still not done, but again there seems to be issues with the pins associated with the DME. Not quite sure what that really means, i don't really understand this stuff. I now have power to the cruise itself, the light comes on, but the buttons to set the speed don't actually work.
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DME is BMW's term for engine management:

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ectronics.html

In other words, it sounds like the mechanical isn't playing ball with the electrical.
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DONE!!!!

Apparently, there was a step missing from the instructions that EVERYBODY links to.

There is a difference in the instructions for cars built before 09/05, after 09/05.

These instructions deal with connecting branch A9, VI/GR cable to (2) different PIN's based on the years posted above, and connecting to X10200 on the fuse holder II (1).

On cars built before 07/04 with a manual gearbox and without a metal lug on the clutch pedal;---press a sensor plate (3) with the lugs (4) facing upwards into the mounting (2) on the clutch pedal (1).


-Now the cruise works with all the functions, etc. All because of this information that WAS NOT in the instructions everybody links to.
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FD3SDriver,
Hows the cruise working out? I'm trying to work out how to do this with my 2004. I got a quote from the dealer for a bit under $1000 for the retrofit kit, however I don't need the MFSW (I already have a salvaged two spoke).
The dealer was not willing to go further in the exploration at the parts counter. His final word was that the kit comes with the wheel. Did you stumble across a parts number for a kit that doesn't include the wheel? I have the instructions, so I'm sure there's a part list to go piece by piece from if needed.
Thanks for any help,

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FD3SDriver,
Hows the cruise working out? I'm trying to work out how to do this with my 2004. I got a quote from the dealer for a bit under $1000 for the retrofit kit, however I don't need the MFSW (I already have a salvaged two spoke).
The dealer was not willing to go further in the exploration at the parts counter. His final word was that the kit comes with the wheel. Did you stumble across a parts number for a kit that doesn't include the wheel? I have the instructions, so I'm sure there's a part list to go piece by piece from if needed.
Thanks for any help,

Mark
The cruise is working out REALLY nice; i have some small about how it works when i try to increase the speed, but overall i'm very pleased. Yes, the kit does come with the wheel, and i'd be very surprised if there was a part number for a kit that doesn't include it.
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My dealer mentioned that sometimes the parts list for a kit doesn't really list all of the parts (!?). That seems unlikely to me, but what do I know. The instructions that I have are Labeled; Multi-functional steering wheel retrofit kit (R50) #65 71 0 029 494.

The parts list is as follows; 1. steering wheel harness, 2. additional K bus cable 3. 40 pin black plug 4. Torx screw for plastic 5. Clutch switch 6. Front left button block with connection cable 7. Steering wheel connection cable 8. Slip ring with air bag cable 9. Front right button block 10. Rear left button block 11. MFSW 12. Rear right button block

I don't need numbers 6,9,10,11 and 12. However the parts list doesn't give me the individual parts numbers. I guess the question becomes "are those parts available separately?"

You know, its like Mini doesn't want me to do this for less then $1200
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Not sure if this helps but minifans.info has this for the parts list of the retrofit cruise:

http://minifans.info/part-65710029494/

$1200 sounds steep, even with the wheel. Sounds like your dealer is charging retail. Pelicanparts.com wants $963 for the whole kit and I bet you could do even better than that if you can take out the $300+ wheel. I would call or e-mail Classic Mini in Ohio. Mention you're a NAM member and you'll get 20% off. I talked to Jayson. They gave me a great price on all the parts needed to go from the 2-spoke to the 3-spoke (JCW) wheel.

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That looks like what I needed! Now to make some phone calls......

Thanks!
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So, FD3SDriver, what was the final tally on hours? How many did it take to actually perform the installation? Any idea?
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So, FD3SDriver, what was the final tally on hours? How many did it take to actually perform the installation? Any idea?
Well; don't actually know because of the time lost when the instructions were incorrect. Sorry.
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Hey folks,
Here’s my update. I’m figuring out how to do this on the cheap relatively speaking. Full price at the dealer for this conversion would be $1350. That includes $950 for the retrofit kit # 65 71 0 029 494 ($1180 for parts individually), $420 for labor at shop rate $120 for 3.5 hours). Below is the parts list for the retrofit kit and the price for each from Classic Mini in Ohio.

1.Sensor plate 35 31 6 765 622 .23I have a salvaged two spoke MFSW. (I’ve seen them in the marketplace but mine came with my car when I purchased it used.). Therefore I will not need #2, 10, 11, 12 and 13.
I will be able to use the airbag from my existing non-MFSW. That puts me around $300 for the needed parts minus a 20% NAM discount (I guess I better join) so call it approximately $237 plus labor. As to labor I have a talented independent that works on many brands in my very small town (population 1500) that currently has a copy of the instructions (http://www.motoringfile.com/howto/MFSW.PDF) and isn’t afraid. The good news…..$40 an hour!

Perhaps I’ll be able to get this done for under $500 plus the MFSW.

One of the problems I’m having is reconciling the parts list from the instructions (below) and the parts list from the kit (above). The two lists don’t use the same names! Can someone here help with that? I’m particularly unclear on what #2, #3 and #5 on the instruction parts list are in the parts number list.


Parts list from instructions;
1. steering wheel harness,
2. additional K bus cable
3. 40 pin black plug
4. Torx screw for plastic
5. Clutch switch
6. Front left button block with connection cable
7. Steering wheel connection cable
8. Slip ring with air bag cable
9. Front right button block
10. Rear left button block
11. MFSW (32 33 6 770 428)
12. Rear right button block

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