Navigation & Audio MINI Audio Basics: Specs, Details, and Upgrades
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Well I got the system finally finished/installed on Saturday. (I still have not heard it as I’m waiting on the new harness, should be here today) I took the car to BMW Saturday afternoon and had the computer cleared by my buddy, the computer goes a bit nuts when the battery is disconnected and I had a list of codes 2 pages long showing everything that happened since the barratry was disconnected. Plus I hit the start button with the seat out so that was a big time fault…I will have it re-flashed once again next week just to make sure its all ok.
Here are the final pictures with a few of the car at the end. I made the speaker grill for a cleaner look and also I can now mount another shelf on it which I’ve still to make. I want to be able to have one with the woofer exposed and still be able to put on the supplied one that came with the system.
I will post pix later once I make the new shelf se-up….
http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital...7629768965607/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital...7629768965607/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital...7629768965607/
Here are the final pictures with a few of the car at the end. I made the speaker grill for a cleaner look and also I can now mount another shelf on it which I’ve still to make. I want to be able to have one with the woofer exposed and still be able to put on the supplied one that came with the system.
I will post pix later once I make the new shelf se-up….
http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital...7629768965607/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital...7629768965607/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital...7629768965607/
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TrammonT (01-12-2023)
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Clubman Subwoofer?
Kevin,
Any new development on the sub woofer for the Clubman - Any chance that you are not using the spare wheel space for the sub since it is needed for the spare when we switch to non-RFT.
Will a couple 10'' woofer fit into the back 6x9 area that will provide decent low end?
Any new development on the sub woofer for the Clubman - Any chance that you are not using the spare wheel space for the sub since it is needed for the spare when we switch to non-RFT.
Will a couple 10'' woofer fit into the back 6x9 area that will provide decent low end?
We're working on a Clubman-specific sub. Stay tuned...
The sub makes an astounding difference. Take a look at the reviews in the Product section of this site (https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/reviews/showcat.php/cat/52), and browse some of the existing threads in this forum.
The sub makes an astounding difference. Take a look at the reviews in the Product section of this site (https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/reviews/showcat.php/cat/52), and browse some of the existing threads in this forum.
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#33
I noticed back in February you mentioned that you were constructing a Clubman (R55) version of your subwooder system (1101S). I was wondering how that was going and if you were going to eventually do some kind of combined sale of the Soundstage (R55) package. I wanted to purchase the package for my clubman, but didn't want to spend $1500 for speakers and another $1500 for a subwoofer if you were intending on doing the combined package like you did for the R56 (looks like $2300 for the combined rather than a future projection of $3000).
So... What are the odds of getting either a "futures" price on the soundstage product with the intent of the subwoofer later or... ??
Wanted to get some ideas before I purchased. Actually wanted to see how long to sit on this before I loose the urge to use my sommer break to work on my 2012 JCW clubman.
So... What are the odds of getting either a "futures" price on the soundstage product with the intent of the subwoofer later or... ??
Wanted to get some ideas before I purchased. Actually wanted to see how long to sit on this before I loose the urge to use my sommer break to work on my 2012 JCW clubman.
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And we certainly appreciate your patience!
Here's the current status as of July 3, 2012: The Clubman subwoofer final pre-production prototypes of both the enclosure and speaker are here and we are just waiting on scheduling the test vehicle to come back in for final fitment confirmation & performance testing. I hope to be able to get that done the week of 7/16. Assuming no issues (there shouldn't be), production will begin after that and the system will be available for ordering on the www.integralaudio.com site.
Here's the current status as of July 3, 2012: The Clubman subwoofer final pre-production prototypes of both the enclosure and speaker are here and we are just waiting on scheduling the test vehicle to come back in for final fitment confirmation & performance testing. I hope to be able to get that done the week of 7/16. Assuming no issues (there shouldn't be), production will begin after that and the system will be available for ordering on the www.integralaudio.com site.
#37
Reading this thread has me dizzy....I have zero knowledge of stereo components/audio terms that are being thrown around
With my MINI roughly 6 weeks away (just ordered '13 Mini Cooper S Hardtop), I decided to not get the HK because it is not much better than standard, and if I am spending that much money on an upgrade, I should be fully in love with how it sounds.
I might not know all the terminology that is being used but I certainly love music and it is important to hear my music loud and clear. I want to hear it crisp, with solid bass and definitely no crackling!
Can somebody help me find the best way to improve how music sounds with a budget around $700? I heard Amps and Sub Woofers are the way to go but that doesn't help a whole lot. I would greatly appreciate a MINI specific website, and/or shops in the NY area that can do the best job for the price I am willing to spend
With my MINI roughly 6 weeks away (just ordered '13 Mini Cooper S Hardtop), I decided to not get the HK because it is not much better than standard, and if I am spending that much money on an upgrade, I should be fully in love with how it sounds.
I might not know all the terminology that is being used but I certainly love music and it is important to hear my music loud and clear. I want to hear it crisp, with solid bass and definitely no crackling!
Can somebody help me find the best way to improve how music sounds with a budget around $700? I heard Amps and Sub Woofers are the way to go but that doesn't help a whole lot. I would greatly appreciate a MINI specific website, and/or shops in the NY area that can do the best job for the price I am willing to spend
#38
So I have an '09 and I find the bass lacking more... so V8spree, personally if I had money to throw at my Justa I'd go to a shop and talk with them about doing a sub installation of some sort. Even a fairly small sub would add a great deal of ooomph to my system. If you don't want to spend tons of money you could go as cheap as a bass tube type of system, or you could got a bit further and put a sub under one of the front seats, or even a bit further and work on a built in system in the rear of the car.
#39
So I have an '09 and I find the bass lacking more... so V8spree, personally if I had money to throw at my Justa I'd go to a shop and talk with them about doing a sub installation of some sort. Even a fairly small sub would add a great deal of ooomph to my system. If you don't want to spend tons of money you could go as cheap as a bass tube type of system, or you could got a bit further and put a sub under one of the front seats, or even a bit further and work on a built in system in the rear of the car.
#40
So I have an '09 and I find the bass lacking more... so V8spree, personally if I had money to throw at my Justa I'd go to a shop and talk with them about doing a sub installation of some sort. Even a fairly small sub would add a great deal of ooomph to my system. If you don't want to spend tons of money you could go as cheap as a bass tube type of system, or you could got a bit further and put a sub under one of the front seats, or even a bit further and work on a built in system in the rear of the car.
#41
Reading this thread has me dizzy....I have zero knowledge of stereo components/audio terms that are being thrown around
With my MINI roughly 6 weeks away (just ordered '13 Mini Cooper S Hardtop), I decided to not get the HK because it is not much better than standard, and if I am spending that much money on an upgrade, I should be fully in love with how it sounds.
I might not know all the terminology that is being used but I certainly love music and it is important to hear my music loud and clear. I want to hear it crisp, with solid bass and definitely no crackling!
Can somebody help me find the best way to improve how music sounds with a budget around $700? I heard Amps and Sub Woofers are the way to go but that doesn't help a whole lot. I would greatly appreciate a MINI specific website, and/or shops in the NY area that can do the best job for the price I am willing to spend
With my MINI roughly 6 weeks away (just ordered '13 Mini Cooper S Hardtop), I decided to not get the HK because it is not much better than standard, and if I am spending that much money on an upgrade, I should be fully in love with how it sounds.
I might not know all the terminology that is being used but I certainly love music and it is important to hear my music loud and clear. I want to hear it crisp, with solid bass and definitely no crackling!
Can somebody help me find the best way to improve how music sounds with a budget around $700? I heard Amps and Sub Woofers are the way to go but that doesn't help a whole lot. I would greatly appreciate a MINI specific website, and/or shops in the NY area that can do the best job for the price I am willing to spend
$700 may seem like a lot, but it won't go far. The HK is a vast improvement over the old HiFi, and is significantly better than the standard 6 speaker system. Unless you can budget twice that amount I'd suggest you stick with that.
Before you consider budget-friendly options like the BOSS600, make sure you know what you are getting into. They are cheap for a reason.
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930 Engineering (09-27-2021)
#42
No, for a whole host of reasons, most of which I've discussed previously on this forum. Bottom line is that you can't easily meet our performance standards with two 6x9's in the car, and to do so would be more expensive than our current solution. We spend literally hundreds of hours on system design, and look for the best combination of performance and value for a particular vehicle. If two 6x9's worked we'd have gone that route.
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930 Engineering (09-27-2021)
#43
Kevin - Do you have any blem versions of the box for the R56, or will you simply sell one sans the amp and sub? I would need to know the volume of the enclosure, and approximate depth, but I already have a couple other woofers in mind.
I already have the other items needed for an audio install, but my time may not allow me to build an enclosure for a while.
I already have the other items needed for an audio install, but my time may not allow me to build an enclosure for a while.
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Kevin - Do you have any blem versions of the box for the R56, or will you simply sell one sans the amp and sub? I would need to know the volume of the enclosure, and approximate depth, but I already have a couple other woofers in mind.
I already have the other items needed for an audio install, but my time may not allow me to build an enclosure for a while.
I already have the other items needed for an audio install, but my time may not allow me to build an enclosure for a while.
The speaker and the enclosure form an integrated system - you can NOT separate one from the other. The whole point of fitting a particular woofer to a specific enclosure size is to control the Q response of the enclosure, all of which must be designed for the unique transfer function of the specific vehicle. Most people - including the vast majority of folks on the retail side of this industry - think it's appropriate to pick a random woofer they like and plug it into a box that fits. It just ain't so.
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930 Engineering (09-27-2021)
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#46
I have not measured with our equipment here, but I have heard it and am familiar with the components. It is roughly comparable to the HK (2010+) system. It is not even in the same universe as our Soundstage. Given the installed price, and assuming you are ordering new, I'd say get the HK on the low end, or our Soundstage on the high end. If you are retrofitting, given the installed price of the Alpine kit, I think it would be foolish to try to save a few hundred bucks by going the Alpine vs. our Soundstage. If you are looking for budget retrofit options, there are better ways to go. Bottom line, I just don't see a compelling argument to be made for the Apline in any situation.
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930 Engineering (09-27-2021)
#47
No, we don't sell individual pieces of our systems, and, same as above, for a whole host of reasons most of which have been discussed on this forum previously. We've considered it and will probably continue to revisit the issue, but the bottom line is that it is just the wrong way to do it. Period.
The speaker and the enclosure form an integrated system - you can NOT separate one from the other. The whole point of fitting a particular woofer to a specific enclosure size is to control the Q response of the enclosure, all of which must be designed for the unique transfer function of the specific vehicle. Most people - including the vast majority of folks on the retail side of this industry - think it's appropriate to pick a random woofer they like and plug it into a box that fits. It just ain't so.
The speaker and the enclosure form an integrated system - you can NOT separate one from the other. The whole point of fitting a particular woofer to a specific enclosure size is to control the Q response of the enclosure, all of which must be designed for the unique transfer function of the specific vehicle. Most people - including the vast majority of folks on the retail side of this industry - think it's appropriate to pick a random woofer they like and plug it into a box that fits. It just ain't so.
It is, after all, simply a sealed enclosure, and fiberglass isnt exactly rocket surgery.
A speaker and an enclosure are not an integrated system in the sense that they wont work without the other... One can design a box for many purposes or response curves, using the same woofer. I am well aware of the changes that a box has, as well as the differences in the frequency response based on the Q of the alignment and the design goals of the system itself. I also have preferences as to the response I like, and how it works with the transfer function of the vehicle I am installing it in. I also have the ability to measure and EQ as needed.
By the way, what is the alignment for the sub in the box you have specified?
I, like you, abhor the idea of sticking a random woofer in a box, even the "recommended" box size from the mfg. That is why I asked for the enclosure size - I would need to check that the box met my requirement, or change my desired woofer to match available volume with a reasonable final Q.
I decided some time ago when the SB Acoustics woofer was released that it was not the woofer for me. Back when it was sub $200, much less at its current price. It would be interesting to know if your company has had the woofer customized in any way, but I suspect it is the same woofer I can go purchase retail.
I simply do not want to pay for a woofer that does not meet my needs, and amplifier that is not going to be used.
#48
I have not measured with our equipment here, but I have heard it and am familiar with the components. It is roughly comparable to the HK (2010+) system. It is not even in the same universe as our Soundstage. Given the installed price, and assuming you are ordering new, I'd say get the HK on the low end, or our Soundstage on the high end. If you are retrofitting, given the installed price of the Alpine kit, I think it would be foolish to try to save a few hundred bucks by going the Alpine vs. our Soundstage. If you are looking for budget retrofit options, there are better ways to go. Bottom line, I just don't see a compelling argument to be made for the Apline in any situation.
And why the use of a phase plug in the mid-bass driver, when the crossover point is so low (per your specs on the sight)?
#49
At the moment, I'm waiting for my (ordered with my JCW coupé) JCW suspension to become available, because there's going to be an installation charge that I still don't know with certainty. Once that's covered, I may treat myself to better tunes for Christmas.
#50
I, like you, abhor the idea of sticking a random woofer in a box, even the "recommended" box size from the mfg. That is why I asked for the enclosure size - I would need to check that the box met my requirement, or change my desired woofer to match available volume with a reasonable final Q.
We have strong beliefs here about what is and isn't the right way to reproduce sound. I'm just not interested in selling the enclosure bare. Sorry about that, but there are other options, and it sounds like you are more than capable of building your own. Besides, it doesn't sound like you are very impressed with our products anyway, so no big loss, right?
A phase plug has other well-documented benefits besides PL compensation. If you think about it you'll realize why we're using it in a mid-bass driver. It has nothing to do with PL - it has to do with something a dustcap would do in this situation....
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