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Old 11-18-2009, 01:15 AM
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Having spent 20 years in the software publishing business, this strikes me as very funny.

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it's the actual piece that goes into the car that costs to make.
I expect the development of the hardware and software are significant cost factors in the NAV.

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$2000 has been the price because, well, that's always been the price. It'll come down I bet because I wager they're only in it maybe $400 (that's about what Apple charges ATT for an iPhone with 3 radios in it). We'll see I guess.
How many iPhones are sold, compared to how many MINIs with NAV?
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How many iPhones are sold, compared to how many MINIs with NAV?
A lot of course, but that's not my point. My point was that the NAV is way overpriced, not compared to other car NAVs but compared to devices that do similar functions with their hardware/software. An excellent dedicated Garmin fully mounted in a car is a fraction the price of the Mini's NAV. Mini options are expensive, but the NAV is almost 10% of the base price of an MCS. The sales tax alone would buy you a lot of Garmin models. I know you like yours and I'm sure it's a cool accessory but it should cost more like $500. They'd still make plenty on it. Apple makes a ton on every iPhone at $400.
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There's also the dead reckoning. If you can even find a Garmin anymore with that, and get a licensed tech to install it, you're nearly the price of the OEM Nav. Since most of Garmin's models that support dead reckoning are discontinued (Streetpilot 7500 for example), you can find them for about $1000, but that still leaves the install of cabling.

OEM Nav is like every other Mini option, they are all ridiculously over-priced. $2k for leather when I bought mine. It provides close to zero function; just looks and feel, unlike the Nav which does a who lot more for that money. I have almost a dozen portable Nav's btw.
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OEM Nav is like every other Mini option, they are all ridiculously over-priced. $2k for leather when I bought mine. It provides close to zero function; just looks and feel, unlike the Nav which does a who lot more for that money.
Yes, MINI options are overpriced. Their horribly heavy wheels are way over-priced. The HIFI audio is $500 and gives you a nasty little amp with not much power, and four cheap tweeters. The list goes on. It isn't just the NAV. Options may be where MINI makes its profit. Anyone know what % of revenue is profit for MINI? I doubt it is much greater than Honda, VW, etc.
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Navteq seems to be charging almost as much for a map upgrade as they do for the original disc that comes from the manufacturer. Maybe a discount if you returned your outdated disc? My complaint is that the first disc is complete, custom made for MINI, and worth close to $200. The update disc is 99% identical, and will still never be anywhere near current.

Navteq could develop a system to create a DVD using current data and either mail a custom disc, or allow a customer to burn their own. With such a system, you could order a map for Navteq the week before your cross country drive, or after a new road is mapped, rather than waiting for their 18 month update.
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Navteq could develop a system to create a DVD using current data and either mail a custom disc, or allow a customer to burn their own. With such a system, you could order a map for Navteq the week before your cross country drive, or after a new road is mapped, rather than waiting for their 18 month update.
It would be nice if Navteq had updates like Garmin's NuMap program. Their Lifetime option gives you up to 4 updates per year, as they become available, for the life of the device. All for $120. You can find them cheaper as well from their resellers. Costco had the NuMaps Lifetime for $99.
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It would be nice if Navteq had updates like Garmin's NuMap program. Their Lifetime option gives you up to 4 updates per year, as they become available, for the life of the device. All for $120. You can find them cheaper as well from their resellers. Costco had the NuMaps Lifetime for $99.
TomTom updates are $8 for 3 months worth. I never buy lifetime updates because I won't live a whole lifetime lol.
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