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But I'm wondering about the area where the old mirror was - just out of view to the left of the area you photographed. How does that look?
I want my replacement mirror to be smaller, and if it cannot occupy the same mount as my present one, then I want it to be farther away from face, not closer. So, if I can't replace my R56 factory mirror with a smaller one from an older series, then I'm opting for a windshield mount.
I've not removed my factory mirror yet, so I don't know what kind of hardware is exposed with it gone. I don't like the idea of looking at something that says "parts missing".
Can anyone recommend a source for an old style mirror - the smaller-the-better - which is known to fit the mount for an R56?
See pic for the looks of where the old mirror was. It's not very visible from any seat in the car, and invisible from outside. That said, I'm thinking about putting perhaps a MINI badge over the hole...same thing I'll do where the replacement mirror is attached...when I remove it, there will be a small screw hole, so I'll pput a MINI badge or some such thing over the hole.
But if I sell the MINI privately, I'll ask the new owner if he wants the replacement mirror removed...I'll be he won't.
For those who say the factory mirror doesn't bother them, they should check the view with their mirror removed...go for a short drive, etc...it really is a big difference.
As far as other mirror possibilities go, I looked and looked...the best possibility I came up with, besides the one I used, was to get a boat mirror (from a boating website)...the kind that mounts from BELOW and stands up on a dashboard.
I've also seen that type in a few older roadster/cars from time to time...can't remember which models...anyway, screwing something like that down into the top of the dash would probably be a very nice solution...would look very classic.
Check this website for a couple nice dash mount possibilities:
Thanks for the newer (and older) photos - eliminates a lot of uncertainty for me.
I am intrigued by Iguanad's post on 10-20-2010:
"... I just swapped my 2010 rearview mirror for a 2002 rearview mirror..."
My Dealer (Baron's in Kansas) could not confirm this, and he opined that the mirrors are not interchangeable between models - but he was guessing. So far, I've not seen a 2002 on eBay, but I did see some 2003.
Does anyone know where I can find out for sure which model year was smaller? Has there been only one change from small to big - or several? Guess I'll have to just gamble the bucks on eBay to find out?
I really like the way it turned out. Was the stock mirror that bad?
There are at least several threads talking about the big mirror and how much of the view it blocks thru the windshield...some people just HATE it...but there are many that think the mirror is just fine. Search for more threads, or read back earlier in this thread.
Does anyone know where I can find out for sure which model year was smaller? Has there been only one change from small to big - or several? Guess I'll have to just gamble the bucks on eBay to find out?
I'm pretty sure the same mirror was used 2002 to 2006, then a much bigger one (after folks apparently complained that the 1st gen mirror was too small) from 2007 to present (though I haven't looked at 2010 and 2011 mirrors).
For me, even a smaller mirror on the windshield might block too much...I figured if I was going to do some work, I wanted the mirror all the way up and out of the way.
Last summer I almost hit a little kid in my development because, going around a right-hand curve, the mirror put him in a blind spot until the last moment! And my car is an '05 (with the smaller mirror?)! If it weren't for the fiasco with the power steering pump failures, I'd be surprised that BMW allowed such a safety hazard to slip by for so long.
Thanks for the newer (and older) photos - eliminates a lot of uncertainty for me.
I am intrigued by Iguanad's post on 10-20-2010:
"... I just swapped my 2010 rearview mirror for a 2002 rearview mirror..."
My Dealer (Baron's in Kansas) could not confirm this, and he opined that the mirrors are not interchangeable between models - but he was guessing. So far, I've not seen a 2002 on eBay, but I did see some 2003.
Does anyone know where I can find out for sure which model year was smaller? Has there been only one change from small to big - or several? Guess I'll have to just gamble the bucks on eBay to find out?
This site will at least let you compare part numbers between the years.
I'm pretty sure the same mirror was used 2002 to 2006, then a much bigger one (after folks apparently complained that the 1st gen mirror was too small) from 2007 to present (though I haven't looked at 2010 and 2011 mirrors).
For me, even a smaller mirror on the windshield might block too much...I figured if I was going to do some work, I wanted the mirror all the way up and out of the way.
Thanks! That helps.
You may be right about the windshield mount, but I was hoping that even with the mounting plate on the glass, the mirror itself could be positioned high enough to reveal more glass than the OEM setup. The one I've been looking at appears to have a fairly wide range of positions: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Also, I was hoping by positioning the mirror farther away from the driver, it would be effectively smaller than the same mirror up close, due to perspective. I haven't yet had the opportunity to take the mirror out to the car to see exactly how things line up, so I'm just guessing.
For now, my plan is to try the older (smaller OEM MINI mirror first), and if that doesn't work, plan B is the glass-mount version.
Thanks for the newer (and older) photos - eliminates a lot of uncertainty for me.
I am intrigued by Iguanad's post on 10-20-2010:
"... I just swapped my 2010 rearview mirror for a 2002 rearview mirror..."
My Dealer (Baron's in Kansas) could not confirm this, and he opined that the mirrors are not interchangeable between models - but he was guessing. So far, I've not seen a 2002 on eBay, but I did see some 2003.
Does anyone know where I can find out for sure which model year was smaller? Has there been only one change from small to big - or several? Guess I'll have to just gamble the bucks on eBay to find out?
The first generation mirrors fit on the mount for the second generation models, however there is a catch. The second generation models have the receiver for the keyless entry inside the mirror. You have to remove the receiver from the existing mirror then place it up under the headliner around where the overhead switches are. There is a ton of room up there. There is not enough room in the smaller mirror. You have to take apart the existing mirror then disconnect some wires to reroute them. There is a thread on it somewhere with step by step instructions. It took me about 45 minutes.
You have to take apart the existing mirror then disconnect some wires to reroute them. There is a thread on it somewhere with step by step instructions. It took me about 45 minutes.
That's this thread.
There is a link in the very first post of this thread to a slew of pictures and explanations.
The first generation mirrors fit on the mount for the second generation models...
I'm still trying to pin down a brief history of MINI Cooper rear view mirrors (after 2002), as it relates to replacing the bigger version on my 2010 with a smaller one from a previous model year.
Apparently there have been at least 3 (possibly more?) styles in manually dimming rear view mirrors. I've started a gallery of photos illustrating some the differences here:
Measuring to the outside of the black plastic frame, my 2010 mirror is about 3 3/8" tall by 10 1/8" wide.
What I don't yet know is: What size are the older mirrors, and when did MINI change to the wider version?
If anyone can provide measurements, and post them here, it would be greatly appreciated.
I would also like to document when the electrical receiver needed for the remote door locks was incorporated into the mirror, but I am not attempting to document any other changes in electrical components like auto dimming, etc.
I just bought a 2003 rear view mirror on eBay for $16. I saw quite a few mirrors from 2002-2006 being offered, with "Buy Now" prices ranging up to $90. After I've confirmed it will work in place of the OEM mirror on my 2010 hardtop, I'll post back.
Another refinement (which I should have noticed right away)...I was able to remove the metal bracket that holds the mirror...note: even after removing the center screw, I had to pry down on the bracket a bit to get it to come loose....so that's one less shiny protuberance in the headliner, and will make it easier to put a MINI badge, etc, over the hole. See pics.
The first generation mirrors fit on the mount for the second generation models...
I can confirm that.
I've just completed installing a 2003 mirror on my 2010 R56. Many thanks to wsalopek for his detailed advice about how to get the door locks receiver out of the 2010 mirror and relocated in the headliner. I doubt I could have done it without his excellent photos.
In case anyone else is considering trying the smaller MINI mirror, I've documented some of the differences between the older style mirrors (2002-2004) and my 2010 version here:
Do you have a picture comparing the 2002-2004 mirrors that are auto dimming? I would love one of those if it's the same size as the manual flipping one. If not, I'll go manual.
Cheers
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Do you have a picture comparing the 2002-2004 mirrors that are auto dimming? I would love one of those if it's the same size as the manual flipping one. If not, I'll go manual.
Cheers
Peeti, Sorry, but I only researched manual mirrors for my un-optioned base model. If you just want to see pictures of the auto-dimming mirrors, I expect you can find some on eBay. For example, here is a 2004 auto dimming rear view mirror: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-...#ht_500wt_1156
Getting measurements, however, will probably be much harder, unless someone in the NAM community has what you are looking for and will post the measured dimensions here (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).
I believe it's very costly to develop the molds for the plastic parts, and if possible, MINI would try to make one mirror body mold work for as many models as possible, so I'm *guessing* the manual and auto-dimming versions *may* be the same size in a given model year.
Yep - already hit up ebay. Found a bunch of the mirrors, but am concerned that it's no smaller and that would be a waste of effort and money. So to everyone else - if you have a gen 1 self dimming mirror, please post up data! and pix! thanks.
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