How To Audio/Navigation :: Front/Rear Channel Swap
#51
d6rtm,
I actually have the BMW tool that was posted in another thread that I had purchased several years ago when I swapped the pinouts on my BMW M3's MAF sensor plug...
Anyways, I work in San Jose if you want to try it to see if it works or not. If it does, I'm free to let anyone borrow it if they cover shipping for it...
I actually have the BMW tool that was posted in another thread that I had purchased several years ago when I swapped the pinouts on my BMW M3's MAF sensor plug...
Anyways, I work in San Jose if you want to try it to see if it works or not. If it does, I'm free to let anyone borrow it if they cover shipping for it...
#52
D Unit, Robin--
Happy to help. Where in San Jose? Send me a pm and we can swap info.
Robin, I'm available this weekend to give it a try.
Not sure about my Mini though -- I'm taking it in on Friday; it seems I didn't do things in quite the proper sequence when I had the seats out last, and when I started it up again, I got the dreaded red "YOU BOZO!" airbag light... (not the technological genius some might hope me to be...)
--and I'm putting together a post detailing exactly what colour goes where in doing the swap on the male pins, prompted by schatzy62. Look for it after lunch.
--bob
Happy to help. Where in San Jose? Send me a pm and we can swap info.
Robin, I'm available this weekend to give it a try.
Not sure about my Mini though -- I'm taking it in on Friday; it seems I didn't do things in quite the proper sequence when I had the seats out last, and when I started it up again, I got the dreaded red "YOU BOZO!" airbag light... (not the technological genius some might hope me to be...)
--and I'm putting together a post detailing exactly what colour goes where in doing the swap on the male pins, prompted by schatzy62. Look for it after lunch.
--bob
#54
As for 09 R55/R56 we will not be able to know until one is tested/checked.
I have the feeling that MINI did this for a reason or does not realize the mistake and does not know or want to fix it.
#55
I found a tool that works. The brand I have is JT&T, part number 5012F, Weather Pack Extractor Tool. Set me back $16 TTL, but worked like a charm on test out.
The owner of the electronics store came out and looked at the connector. He said it looks like a AMP (brand name) .084. he was out of the tools, but had a suitible substitute. Wa-La. Cheaper, too.
CAUTION: THIS TOOL CRAPPED OUT WITH ONE PIN LEFT TO GO. IT IS THE RIGHT SIZE, BUT CHEAP AND INEXPENSIVE GO HAND IN HAND.
The owner of the electronics store came out and looked at the connector. He said it looks like a AMP (brand name) .084. he was out of the tools, but had a suitible substitute. Wa-La. Cheaper, too.
CAUTION: THIS TOOL CRAPPED OUT WITH ONE PIN LEFT TO GO. IT IS THE RIGHT SIZE, BUT CHEAP AND INEXPENSIVE GO HAND IN HAND.
Last edited by 4xAAA; 08-21-2008 at 11:00 AM. Reason: mistyped the part number
#56
What wires go where to do the swap
Here are the details on which wires to move where to do the swap:
Note that I recommend doing the male pins, as they are far easier to remove, and are also on the speaker side of things.
Oh, the usual caveat -- you're on your own, don't blame me, no warranties expressed or implied, for prevention of disease only. Check your work. Check my work!
(also edited into the initial post to put all the info in one place)
Note that I recommend doing the male pins, as they are far easier to remove, and are also on the speaker side of things.
Oh, the usual caveat -- you're on your own, don't blame me, no warranties expressed or implied, for prevention of disease only. Check your work. Check my work!
Code:
FR = front right FL = front left RR - rear right RL = rear left ORIGINAL SWAPPED sig color what pin sig color what TTHL- BL/SW RL- 2 MTVL- SW/VI FL- MTVR+ GE/BR FR+ 3 TTHR+ BR/OR RR+ MTVR- GE/SW FR- 4 TTHR- GE/RT RR- MTVL+ SW/RT FL+ 5 TTHL+ BL/BR RL+ MTVL- SW/VI FL- 6 TTHL- BL/SW RL- TTHR+ BR/OR RR+ 7 MTVR+ GE/BR FR+ TTHR- GE/RT RR- 8 MTVR- GE/SW FR- TTHL+ BL/BR RL+ 10 MTVL+ SW/RT FL+ Colors: SW black BR brown RT red OR orange GE yellow VI violet
Last edited by k6rtm; 08-20-2008 at 01:21 PM. Reason: the voices told me to do it
#57
#58
It should work with the HiFi as well but I am trying to figure out if there is a better way to do it.
If my memory serves me correctly the amp has seperate channels for all the speakers if this is correct then it may be better to just swap the signals at the amp output so that things like the phone audio stay in the front speakers.
If my memory serves me correctly the amp has seperate channels for all the speakers if this is correct then it may be better to just swap the signals at the amp output so that things like the phone audio stay in the front speakers.
Not sure about my Mini though -- I'm taking it in on Friday; it seems I didn't do things in quite the proper sequence when I had the seats out last, and when I started it up again, I got the dreaded red "YOU BOZO!" airbag light... (not the technological genius some might hope me to be...)
#59
d6rtm,
I actually have the BMW tool that was posted in another thread that I had purchased several years ago when I swapped the pinouts on my BMW M3's MAF sensor plug...
Anyways, I work in San Jose if you want to try it to see if it works or not. If it does, I'm free to let anyone borrow it if they cover shipping for it...
http://www.unofficialbmw.com/all/ele...tact_pins.html
I actually have the BMW tool that was posted in another thread that I had purchased several years ago when I swapped the pinouts on my BMW M3's MAF sensor plug...
Anyways, I work in San Jose if you want to try it to see if it works or not. If it does, I'm free to let anyone borrow it if they cover shipping for it...
http://www.unofficialbmw.com/all/ele...tact_pins.html
it is now 83 30 0 495 385
My local dealer stated the cost at $57.00, there was also no longer seperate part number listed for the sleeves, it seems it can only be gotten as a kit now.
I called a second dealer and was told the same thing.
#60
Anyone looking for this part from a BMW Dealer the number has changed
it is now 83 30 0 495 385
My local dealer stated the cost at $57.00, there was also no longer seperate part number listed for the sleeves, it seems it can only be gotten as a kit now.
I called a second dealer and was told the same thing.
it is now 83 30 0 495 385
My local dealer stated the cost at $57.00, there was also no longer seperate part number listed for the sleeves, it seems it can only be gotten as a kit now.
I called a second dealer and was told the same thing.
We'll see Friday (I hope), and get a look at one later today.
#62
#63
I'm trying to source the connector parts to make a harness, but since I won't have my MCS until mid October I need detailed pictures of both sides of the connectors and/or any part numbers that may be on the connectors.
#64
#65
#66
holy MOTHER OF PEARL.
Gang: did the pinswap thirty min ago; it took longer to get the panel and connector out than to do the swapping.
Got it all back together, found a couple of appropriate CDs to try, gave one a spin, was unimpressed and a little disappointed ... and then remembered that "rear" is now "forward" on the fader -- d'oh!
Much better, and some improvement in bass!
Sooooo, I pulled out the BIG gun: Reference Recordings RR-58CD, aka "Pomp and Pipes". This is an orchestra-and-organ recording, made by a group of SERIOUSLY HARDCORE AUDIO-JUNKIES on one of the most astounding pipe-organs in the world; highly recommended both for the performance and as a "let's-see-what-this-thing-can-really-do" test disc.
WOW.
I did not know what I was missing -- and that's with Boston 40W 5x7s in the rear, not 6x9s (see gallery).
Big congrats again to k6rtm.
Got it all back together, found a couple of appropriate CDs to try, gave one a spin, was unimpressed and a little disappointed ... and then remembered that "rear" is now "forward" on the fader -- d'oh!
Much better, and some improvement in bass!
Sooooo, I pulled out the BIG gun: Reference Recordings RR-58CD, aka "Pomp and Pipes". This is an orchestra-and-organ recording, made by a group of SERIOUSLY HARDCORE AUDIO-JUNKIES on one of the most astounding pipe-organs in the world; highly recommended both for the performance and as a "let's-see-what-this-thing-can-really-do" test disc.
WOW.
I did not know what I was missing -- and that's with Boston 40W 5x7s in the rear, not 6x9s (see gallery).
Big congrats again to k6rtm.
Last edited by basil49; 08-21-2008 at 04:28 PM.
#67
CHEAP alternate pin-extractor tool
FYI: designed a cheap alternate tool: I thought about k6rtm tweaking a pin-extractor, went to my hobby shop, bought a 12-inch long, 5/32-inch-dia brass tube, and cut the same slit in the end with my Dremel as he did. Cost ONE DOLLAR. Works great. (See the gallery.)
Last edited by basil49; 08-21-2008 at 06:18 PM. Reason: moved the pic to the gallery
#68
Gang: did the pinswap thirty min ago; it took longer to get the panel and connector out than to do the swapping.
Got it all back together, found a couple of appropriate CDs to try, gave one a spin, was unimpressed and a little disappointed ... and then remembered that "rear" is now "forward" on the fader -- d'oh!
Much better, and some improvement in bass!
Sooooo, I pulled out the BIG gun: Reference Recordings RR-58CD, aka "Pomp and Pipes". This is an orchestra-and-organ recording, made by a group of SERIOUSLY HARDCORE AUDIO-JUNKIES on one of the most astounding pipe-organs in the world; highly recommended both for the performance and as a "let's-see-what-this-thing-can-really-do" test disc.
WOW.
I did not know what I was missing -- and that's with Boston 40W 5x7s in the rear, not 6x9s (see gallery).
Big congrats again to k6rtm.
Got it all back together, found a couple of appropriate CDs to try, gave one a spin, was unimpressed and a little disappointed ... and then remembered that "rear" is now "forward" on the fader -- d'oh!
Much better, and some improvement in bass!
Sooooo, I pulled out the BIG gun: Reference Recordings RR-58CD, aka "Pomp and Pipes". This is an orchestra-and-organ recording, made by a group of SERIOUSLY HARDCORE AUDIO-JUNKIES on one of the most astounding pipe-organs in the world; highly recommended both for the performance and as a "let's-see-what-this-thing-can-really-do" test disc.
WOW.
I did not know what I was missing -- and that's with Boston 40W 5x7s in the rear, not 6x9s (see gallery).
Big congrats again to k6rtm.
#69
Hey Basil,
Did you have to cut a slot in the tube to allow it to change diameter in the connector ( in other words, was there not a brass tube that matched the 2.5mm size of the factory tool )?
I ask, because I want to make a tool as well, and am trying to visualize how it's releasing the molex pin. I wondered if the slot was necessary to slip by a lip or groove, or if it was there just to allow the tube to expand?
Thanx,
Bill
Did you have to cut a slot in the tube to allow it to change diameter in the connector ( in other words, was there not a brass tube that matched the 2.5mm size of the factory tool )?
I ask, because I want to make a tool as well, and am trying to visualize how it's releasing the molex pin. I wondered if the slot was necessary to slip by a lip or groove, or if it was there just to allow the tube to expand?
Thanx,
Bill
#70
The slot allows the tube to expand. I used a #27 drill to expand the split tube, and that worked okay. Hopefully I'll be picking up a factory tool tomorrow; I'll have my calipers with me to measure ID and OD.
The (male) pins looked like they had 6 barbs spaced uniformly around the barrel of the pin.
I'll try to work on better pics over the weekend, and getting part numbers from the connector bodies.
The (male) pins looked like they had 6 barbs spaced uniformly around the barrel of the pin.
I'll try to work on better pics over the weekend, and getting part numbers from the connector bodies.
#72
With the HiFi system, look at the wiring diagrams and you tell me -- it's not so clear.
The wiring diagrams for the HiFi tell me that the front tweeters and mids are in parallel, with the front woofers separate. The rear woofers and tweeters are separate.
#73
According to the wiring diagrams this is how the channels of the amps are wired
1. 40W - rear left woofer
2. 40W - rear right woofer
3. 25W - rear left tweeter
4. 25W - rear right tweeter
5. 25W - front left woofer
6. 25W - front right woofer
7. 25W - front left mid and tweeter
8. 25W - front right mid and tweeter
From doing some listening tests with a signal test disk (20 hz to 1000hz in 20hz increments) it seems the HiFi system has something else going on. This change my not affect the HiFI system as it does the standard system. There have also been reports that the HiFi system may also do volume shaping. I.E. at higher volumes it shapes the frequency response differently.
I will hopefully be doing some independent testing this weekend. look for results on Sunday sometime.
1. 40W - rear left woofer
2. 40W - rear right woofer
3. 25W - rear left tweeter
4. 25W - rear right tweeter
5. 25W - front left woofer
6. 25W - front right woofer
7. 25W - front left mid and tweeter
8. 25W - front right mid and tweeter
From doing some listening tests with a signal test disk (20 hz to 1000hz in 20hz increments) it seems the HiFi system has something else going on. This change my not affect the HiFI system as it does the standard system. There have also been reports that the HiFi system may also do volume shaping. I.E. at higher volumes it shapes the frequency response differently.
I will hopefully be doing some independent testing this weekend. look for results on Sunday sometime.
#74
The slot allows the tube to expand. I used a #27 drill to expand the split tube, and that worked okay.
The (male) pins looked like they had 6 barbs spaced uniformly around the barrel of the pin.
I'll try to work on better pics over the weekend, and getting part numbers from the connector bodies.
The (male) pins looked like they had 6 barbs spaced uniformly around the barrel of the pin.
I'll try to work on better pics over the weekend, and getting part numbers from the connector bodies.
When you shove the slotted tube in over the pin, you're also turning slightly back and forth to work the tube past the barbs ... do a twist twist twist twist with a firm PUSH, and you'll feel CLICK as the pin pops back about a quarter-inch -- and it's free.
I found "Tyco 2-828879-1" on the male connector body ... forgot to look at the female. Google that number and it confirms a "twelve-connector, 2.5mm pin body".
Last edited by basil49; 08-22-2008 at 08:50 AM.
#75