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A 3+ second push turns off both DTC and DSC and puts EDLC on
This is more correct.
I think it's a bit more like this though (according to BMW)
Stage 1 (no pushes): DSC + DTC is on.
Stage 2 (one second push): DTC is on and the DSC is off
Stage 3 (3+ second push): DTC and DSC is off, and E-DLC is on.
stage 1 can go to stage 2 only (one second push)
stage 2 can go to stage 1 and stage 3 (one second push and 3+ second push respectively)
stage 3 can go to stage 1 only. (one second push)
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I think it's a bit more like this though (according to BMW)
Stage 1 (no pushes): DSC + DTC is on.
Stage 2 (one second push): DTC is on and the DSC is off
Stage 3 (3+ second push): DTC and DSC is off, and E-DLC is on.
stage 1 can go to stage 2 only (one second push)
stage 2 can go to stage 1 and stage 3 (one second push and 3+ second push respectively)
stage 3 can go to stage 1 only. (one second push)
Not sure if stage 1 is DSC + DTC, without going to my car and looking at the owners manual I can't say for sure. I always thought it was:
Stage 1 (no pushes): DSC is on
Stage 2 (one second push): DTC is on and the DSC is off
Stage 3 (3+ second push): DTC and DSC is off, and E-DLC is on.
Not that it really matters though, as DSC seems to intervene much sooner than DTC would (DSC seems like zero tire slip, while DTC allows a little before it jumps in). Same with EDLC, who knows if it's "on" all the time or not, as DSC and DTC would intervene before ELSD had a chance to do anything. This is all from what I notice when I drive, not anything technical.
Otherwise the above is correct, and you cannot turn off the ELSD
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OK, so this is not about its activation and pressing of buttons. This is about the manner in which it operates, i.e. is it intrusive or not. I am not talking so much about everyday highway driving, but about tracking the car.
I understand that what it does is it briefly applies brake pressure to the wheel which spins excessively, effectively slowing it down and allowing the other wheel on the axle to catch up. This is of course quite different from what mechanical LSD on say R56 MCS does (the LSD which MINI/BMW decided to discontinue) I am not overly concerned about wearing out the brakes too much. I am more interested in your impression on how intrusive this system really is, especially if you owned/have driven a JCW stage 1 with mechanical LSD or R53 car and can make a comparison.
I am very worried that this may be too much of an electronic nanny type of thing that makes the car safer and tamer, and at the same time deprives the driver of some of the control/decision over what occurs for example when rapidly darting out of corners. Folks at Motoringfile claim it is better than the mechanical system, but they are rather vague about what this better means. My suspicion is fueled mostly by what I saw on D Motor (German car show), where Factory JCW Hatch was pitted against ABT tuned VW Scirocco. The driver (Tim Schrick) was very disappointed in MINI. You can see this at:
but for example, Porsche is going to these types of electronic controls as are many, many performance cars and here's why: These types of systems can be predictive, instead of just reactive. The car knows about where the steering is pointing relative to direction of motion, throttle position and the like and can send the torque to where it can best be used before any wheel slippage occurs. Some companies call this torque vectoring. This can be combined with a reactive algorithm. So, the details are in the programming. But the bottom line is that the predictive nature of these types of systems have the potential to make a faster car through turns than reactive mechanical ones.
If we now turn the clock back to the first DSC systems on the Mini that were poorly programmed from an enthusiast point of view. the DTC and eDLC systems seem to be an effort to get the software biased a bit more enthusiast, I fear that the programming will still be a bit conservative for the performance driver.
If I don't launch with more than 2500rpm and full throttle, the brakes will lock me down and I don't move. Also, if I hit a bump with the throttle, it locks down as well.
I just drive around with DTC
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