OBDC gauges but analog display ?

[kurisu]

Hello everyone,

My apologies if this is written somewhere in these forums, but I've been searching quite a bit but couldn't find a straight answer.

I've seen a bunch of devices that mimic the appearance and come with a whole bunch of display options (for instance this : Blitz_AG R-Vit i-Color FLASH), but I really want a real gauge with you know, an actual needle.

Are there any analog gauge systems that simply plug into the OBCD ?

tks in advance for any feedback !

cheers

Christopher

[schatzy62]

Autometer Make a set of gauges that run off the ODBII system called Nexus.

Here are some links

http://www.autometer.com/cat_gaugede...earch&gid=3623

http://www.autometer.com/productPDF/1263(pdf).pdf

from these links you should be able to get any info you need on them.

[kurisu]

Thank you very much schatzy!

After reading their literature I can't see any mention to ODBII though, seem like they need you to splice a few wires off the ignition, tacho, etc to their power harness. I'm going to study some more but this is quite confusing as I thought ODBII was that plug under the wheel ?

[schatzy62]

kurisu,

On further research i find the following links

This one is a installation instruction sheet for a fuel level gauge and it explicitly states ODBII as being a model 6700

http://www.autometer.com/download_instruction/1119A.pdf

But i can not find this model/ part number on the autometer site.

These next two links again state ODBII in the description

http://tunertools.com/nexus.asp

https://www.dikperformance.com/scrip...idproduct=2929

This last one even states:
"NEXUS OBD-II gauges require no additional hardware. Simply plug the control module into your OBD-II port and plug the gauges into the module. You are up and running! Simple Plug and Run!" in the description.

But as I stated before i can't find this stuff on the auto meter site.

So I have called AutoMeter and spoke with a very nice gentleman that has told me they scrapped the project before it went into production and shipping. He told me that what they had found was that there was not enough consistent information on the ODBII of pre 2007 cars to make it worth while to use thier equiment. Many cars did not have the full compliment of information and what was there differed for each model year of the same car and then would also vary between models of the same year. What that ened up meaning was that for any particualr vihicle they could not really determine what they were going to be able to get off the ODBII bus. So they are waiting until the ODBII standard is made more inclusive and standardized.

Sorry to get your hopes up. I was kind of hoping this would be a viable system as well.

So other than that i have not been able to find any ODBII that can give you a real Gauge. Only systems that can give you simulated Gauges on a computer screen.

[kurisu]

Wow, you called them ? Oh ! that's very very kind of you ! Thank you!

Yes, as far as the tunertools pages mentioning ODBII with the Nexus system, I was as puzzled as you were...
Oh well, at least now thanks to you we know for sure ! Too bad, I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones looking for that kind of setup.

I've read extensively the various threads about gauges on these boards, and I know scangauge is the preferred ODBII interface around here, but I don't see it blending in nicely when installed next to the tacho, and I find it useless when placed down the center console. Matter of taste, I know.

Anyways, thanks so much again for your checking ! It is much appreciated !!

cheers

Christopher

[kurisu]

Ok, found something !!!!!

it's a 60mm multifunction gauge, simply plugs into ODB2, supposed to be on sale later this month !!

here it is :


I was looking for accessories on Japanese websites this morning, and I found a gauge set, but for R53 only... digging more, I saw they were about to release an updated version for the R55/R56 !!

I'm gonna see if I can pre-order it !

[Topmini]

i would be interested on this gauge too.
let us know if u buy it and how it all goes!

[schatzy62]

The price listed in the picture is 26,800 yen that equals $280.65 at todays exchange rate. That is a lot of money for water temp and boot gauge.

Just remember you also have to have it shipped over here which can be very expensive, many time almost as much as the product itself.

And then you may also have compatibility issues.

[kurisu]

Originally Posted by schatzy62

The price listed in the picture is 26,800 yen that equals $280.65 at todays exchange rate. That is a lot of money for water temp and boot gauge.

Just remember you also have to have it shipped over here which can be very expensive, many time almost as much as the product itself.

And then you may also have compatibility issues.

For me that's ok, since I live in Japan, but yeah, unless there is an importer/reseller in the US that might prove a tad expensive.
Just FYI the Japanese MINI are based on the US specs so I think the chances of incompatibility would be very very small.
I've mailed the makers, apparently it also works with Euro specs MINI.

[schatzy62]

I know there are some differences in the programing and its functions that are different in the US compared to many other countries cars. All because of the regulations her in the US.

Don't they Drive on the left side of the road in Japan. That would mean that the cars are NOT based on the US model, And in fact would be based more on the British version. Which has a lot of differences to the US model

[kurisu]

Originally Posted by schatzy62

I know there are some differences in the programing and its functions that are different in the US compared to many other countries cars. All because of the regulations her in the US.

Don't they Drive on the left side of the road in Japan. That would mean that the cars are NOT based on the US model, And in fact would be based more on the British version. Which has a lot of differences to the US model

That's a fair assessment, and yes, we drive on the wrong side of the road here, like the British.

However, I know for a fact that Japanese MINIs have the same engine bay as the US model, meaning, MAF & different water pump/pulley than Euro models (the reason I know that is because I had the "whine at idle" problem and got it changed). Japanese options are _exactly_ the same as the US options. Japanese models do not have the "Brake Energy Recuperation" nor the "Automatic Engine start/stop" systems like their British counterparts. That's also what the BMW dealers told me, so of course it should be taken with a pinch of salt but I think it sounds correct.

The only difference is that the Japanese MINIs are with the wheel on the right instead of left in the US. That's not a major difference, that's simply another option. Besides, you can officially order a left-side wheeled MINI here in Japan.

Anyway, back to that multigauge, it's an ODBII interface, which means software. I would think that's the one thing that should be standard across the various models of the same generation around the world.

But I have not tested that gauge yet, so I don't know for sure, and your comments are perfectly sound!

Once I get my hands on it I'll be sure to let you guys know !

[schatzy62]

Originally Posted by kurisu

That's a fair assessment, and yes, we drive on the wrong side of the road here, like the British.

I did not say anything about the WRONG side of the road. I lived in England for 4 years and although it felt odd for the first few days it felt even weirder when i moved back to the US.

Originally Posted by kurisu

However, I know for a fact that Japanese MINIs have the same engine bay as the US model, meaning, MAF & different water pump/pulley than Euro models (the reason I know that is because I had the "whine at idle" problem and got it changed). Japanese options are _exactly_ the same as the US options. Japanese models do not have the "Brake Energy Recuperation" nor the "Automatic Engine start/stop" systems like their British counterparts. That's also what the BMW dealers told me, so of course it should be taken with a pinch of salt but I think it sounds correct.

The only difference is that the Japanese MINIs are with the wheel on the right instead of left in the US. That's not a major difference, that's simply another option. Besides, you can officially order a left-side wheeled MINI here in Japan.

Anyway, back to that multigauge, it's an ODBII interface, which means software. I would think that's the one thing that should be standard across the various models of the same generation around the world.

Well here in the US there is even different software versions on cars. So i doubt that from a US to a Japanese car they are identical. Even the Canadian Models hove a different software version than the US. But with ODBII there may be enough standardization that it may not be a problem.

Originally Posted by kurisu

But I have not tested that gauge yet, so I don't know for sure, and your comments are perfectly sound!

Once I get my hands on it I'll be sure to let you guys know !

Please do let us know how it turns out.

[kurisu]

Originally Posted by schatzy62

I did not say anything about the WRONG side of the road. I lived in England for 4 years and although it felt odd for the first few days it felt even weirder when i moved back to the US.

I was making a joke I didn't mean anything bad about left or right side driving, or Britain... Sorry if that was misunderstood, I thought the fact that I also drive on the left side with a right handle, plus the smiley, made it obvious.

Originally Posted by schatzy62

Please do let us know how it turns out.

will do !

[schatzy62]

I recognized the joke. just wanted to get in that i have also driven on the left (wrong/right) side of the road as well.

[eR1c]

update? did you purchase this guage??
I am very interested in a guage that is "plug and play".

[strobeyprobey]

Look at the PLX Devices DM series OBDII gauge. I added it to my Mini to the left of the tach in an Alta gauge pod. Looks TOTALLY STOCK!!!! I love it. I keep the water temp up. There isn't a heck of a lot of "really cool" "guages" available on the OBDII protocol. But water temp is great. The cat temp is interesting. Voltage is nice. RPM update is too slow really to be useful.

Speed would great but it doesn't work well, does anyone with a ScanGuage II have an issue? My speed shows up fine for a while (-2 MPH from the dash), but then it starts jumping around to about five MPH less). Annoying! Because I wanted to keep the speed in big numbers and then keep the instant MPG up.

[kurisu]

Originally Posted by eR1c

update? did you purchase this guage??
I am very interested in a guage that is "plug and play".

I did ! I posted my report about it here.
Sorry I should have updated this thread with the link earlier.

rgds

kurisu

[Porthos]

Is that Blitz product suppose to be a piggyback ecu or is it just a reader? Cause its all in Japanese and I am unable to translate it on the cpu I am on.

[kurisu]

it's just a reader