Drivetrain Manic Motorsport brings us N18 owners OBD II Tuning! Solution is finally here!
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Based on the first set of DashCommand log files for a different vehicle in MC the AFR appear a little lean in stock mode. I have requested additional .lgf files in Map A and Map B. A lean condition could trigger the ECU to dump pressure in order to protect the engine. Tunerlab have you recorded AFR's during these runs or made log files using DashCommand that you could send me at lou@prototype-r.com? Also please provide any details you may have of the tune installed and supporting mod's.
To whomever installed these tunes please feel free to contact me at the email above. Any input you have would be greatly appreciated in helping resolve the clients difficulties.
To whomever installed these tunes please feel free to contact me at the email above. Any input you have would be greatly appreciated in helping resolve the clients difficulties.
#2302
I don't believe leaning is a problem. Lambda values of .775 to .8 are safe at high boost, .83 at lower boost is fine. The logs I saw were in stock mode and the factory tune runs very lean. New logs in the performance maps will be forthcoming and Nick is involved so I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of it. Hopefully it is a software issue although we just spent a far amount of money designing and building a 51 mm hybrid KO4 to address high pressure ratio needs lol.
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I don't believe leaning is a problem. Lambda values of .775 to .8 are safe at high boost, .83 at lower boost is fine. The logs I saw were in stock mode and the factory tune runs very lean. New logs in the performance maps will be forthcoming and Nick is involved so I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of it. Hopefully it is a software issue although we just spent a far amount of money designing and building a 51 mm hybrid KO4 to address high pressure ratio needs lol.
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Yeah Tunerlab even though they didn't install the tunes has been great in helping us out with data. They look like a great shop and kudos to them for looking out for their customers. The issue is on N14's and N18's, manuals and automatics but in each case so far it's been a JCW. The problem is also not limited to Manic as another Mini with an E-Tuners tune suffers from the same issue. In addition the loss of boost is consistent but any surging is also greatly exacerbated by a Forge BOV. Nick already has some ideas thanks to the data provided and the more we collect the more it will help nail it down.
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Yeah Tunerlab even though they didn't install the tunes has been great in helping us out with data. They look like a great shop and kudos to them for looking out for their customers. The issue is on N14's and N18's, manuals and automatics but in each case so far it's been a JCW. The problem is also not limited to Manic as another Mini with an E-Tuners tune suffers from the same issue. In addition the loss of boost is consistent but any surging is also greatly exacerbated by a Forge BOV. Nick already has some ideas thanks to the data provided and the more we collect the more it will help nail it down.
As I said, Im glad Nick is engaged and nailing it down, as I had no clue something was actually been done. More data to come...
#2306
Nick just needed someone to get him some data he could work with and he was all over it. He and Martyn are committed to producing fantastic work for the Mini platform and Nick is very committed to his craft. I'm just glad to be a tiny part of helping turning Mini's into giant killers. The tuner in Mexico City now has a new file for the N18 JCW so I expect the issue to resolved very soon.
#2308
manic misfire
Hi guys,
So a couple of weeks ago i sent my ecu for a stage 3 manic water/meth tune, i got my ecu back and ran map b with no issues with awesome power for two weeks, i installed an AEM meth kit yesterday and after the install my car wouldnt stop misfiring and hesitating at high loads WOT, I turned the meth off thinking maybe the system was overflowing but the car kept misfiring. I pulled a spark plug and it looks good, checked all the sensors and everything seems fine. Do you guys have any ideas of what migth be the issue?
Im running the JCW one step colder spark plugs and 60/40 meth mix.
Im taking the car to the shop tomorrow and im going to check every connection is good.
So a couple of weeks ago i sent my ecu for a stage 3 manic water/meth tune, i got my ecu back and ran map b with no issues with awesome power for two weeks, i installed an AEM meth kit yesterday and after the install my car wouldnt stop misfiring and hesitating at high loads WOT, I turned the meth off thinking maybe the system was overflowing but the car kept misfiring. I pulled a spark plug and it looks good, checked all the sensors and everything seems fine. Do you guys have any ideas of what migth be the issue?
Im running the JCW one step colder spark plugs and 60/40 meth mix.
Im taking the car to the shop tomorrow and im going to check every connection is good.
#2309
Problem solved! I had a bad coil, replaced it but the car was still misfiring under high loads at WOT, I took the spark plugs out and saw that they had .033 gap. (im running the JCW sparks) Closed the gap to .020 thanks to a suggestion from a friend who has a mazdaspeed 3,after that the car was perfect and the AEM meth system is working perfectly!
#2310
So, I just read through this entire thread
I am researching jumping in on a Manic stage 2, but I have one lagging question concerning the O2 readiness code when running a cat less downpipe: I live in Connecticut and we have an OBD emissions check every year. What am I going to need to do to pass? Nothing? Something?
I am researching jumping in on a Manic stage 2, but I have one lagging question concerning the O2 readiness code when running a cat less downpipe: I live in Connecticut and we have an OBD emissions check every year. What am I going to need to do to pass? Nothing? Something?
#2311
I have done around 40 stage 2 and 3's in your State and everyone has passed. The inspection place will not see any trigger codes, but they will see on not readiness code. Almost every state allows one non-readiness code
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#2313
I'm in Nevada and have full catless exhaust/DP and have passed emissions for 2 years now with my manic tuned , stock motor with 300+ hp.
( Thanks EuroTechs Az for the extra work on making that happen )
but, a month ago I was racing a BMW and hit the rev limiter pretty hard and got a P115 code or something like that. cleared it no biggie..... well I had used my scangauge to force clear all codes, my O2 not ready came in plus I had an evap not ready code so I got turned away for my emissions test ( 2 not ready codes ) and was told I need to go put 50-100 miles on my car till the not ready goes away.
I put 120 miles and still neither code cleared. I was using Palmer to monitor my not ready codes...
NOTE TO SELF and anyone else...lol
you have to put the car back into stock map and put 5-10 miles on the car for the not ready to clear and then you can go back to your maps..... I passed in map B
ANOTHER NOTE TO SELF , I think I would sell my car if i had to go back to stock tune, man what a difference MANIC makes A++++++
( Thanks EuroTechs Az for the extra work on making that happen )
but, a month ago I was racing a BMW and hit the rev limiter pretty hard and got a P115 code or something like that. cleared it no biggie..... well I had used my scangauge to force clear all codes, my O2 not ready came in plus I had an evap not ready code so I got turned away for my emissions test ( 2 not ready codes ) and was told I need to go put 50-100 miles on my car till the not ready goes away.
I put 120 miles and still neither code cleared. I was using Palmer to monitor my not ready codes...
NOTE TO SELF and anyone else...lol
you have to put the car back into stock map and put 5-10 miles on the car for the not ready to clear and then you can go back to your maps..... I passed in map B
ANOTHER NOTE TO SELF , I think I would sell my car if i had to go back to stock tune, man what a difference MANIC makes A++++++
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Problem solved! I had a bad coil, replaced it but the car was still misfiring under high loads at WOT, I took the spark plugs out and saw that they had .033 gap. (im running the JCW sparks) Closed the gap to .020 thanks to a suggestion from a friend who has a mazdaspeed 3,after that the car was perfect and the AEM meth system is working perfectly!
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#2323
Can someone give me a brief summary of the Manic stages of tuning? I currently just use a JB+ and it's fine but I am feeling like I need more. I don't plan on tracking the car but I just want more power without going crazy, and by that I mean spending a lot of hardware upgrades.
How much power can I expect from a stage 1 or 2 tune and what bolt ons need to accompany that to maximize the tune? I can already tell a stage 3 tune would be out of my budget and need. Sorry to ask newbie questions but I am just looking for a clear concise answer, the bottom line is I need more power than the JB+ has to offer.
How much power can I expect from a stage 1 or 2 tune and what bolt ons need to accompany that to maximize the tune? I can already tell a stage 3 tune would be out of my budget and need. Sorry to ask newbie questions but I am just looking for a clear concise answer, the bottom line is I need more power than the JB+ has to offer.
#2324
Can someone give me a brief summary of the Manic stages of tuning? I currently just use a JB+ and it's fine but I am feeling like I need more. I don't plan on tracking the car but I just want more power without going crazy, and by that I mean spending a lot of hardware upgrades.
How much power can I expect from a stage 1 or 2 tune and what bolt ons need to accompany that to maximize the tune? I can already tell a stage 3 tune would be out of my budget and need. Sorry to ask newbie questions but I am just looking for a clear concise answer, the bottom line is I need more power than the JB+ has to offer.
How much power can I expect from a stage 1 or 2 tune and what bolt ons need to accompany that to maximize the tune? I can already tell a stage 3 tune would be out of my budget and need. Sorry to ask newbie questions but I am just looking for a clear concise answer, the bottom line is I need more power than the JB+ has to offer.
I recommend driving to a dealer, but mail options are also available, just a PITA to pull the ECU.
#2325
Can someone give me a brief summary of the Manic stages of tuning? I currently just use a JB+ and it's fine but I am feeling like I need more. I don't plan on tracking the car but I just want more power without going crazy, and by that I mean spending a lot of hardware upgrades.
How much power can I expect from a stage 1 or 2 tune and what bolt ons need to accompany that to maximize the tune? I can already tell a stage 3 tune would be out of my budget and need. Sorry to ask newbie questions but I am just looking for a clear concise answer, the bottom line is I need more power than the JB+ has to offer.
How much power can I expect from a stage 1 or 2 tune and what bolt ons need to accompany that to maximize the tune? I can already tell a stage 3 tune would be out of my budget and need. Sorry to ask newbie questions but I am just looking for a clear concise answer, the bottom line is I need more power than the JB+ has to offer.
I run stage 2, so I have colder plugs (not as cold as recommended, though), intercooler and downpipe. The mid-top end is greatly improved and the turbo seems to spool even sooner/faster. Also, water temps are set much lower, stage 1 doesnt do this, which should benefit longevity of the turbo and (auto) tranny in addition to the engine itself. Adds ~20hp to stage 1.
Mailing the ECU is no big deal, it removes in less than a minute and your car is parked only as long as it takes to ship to/from since the tuner can usually turn around in a day if you've discussed it with them.
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