Drivetrain The Official ALTA AccessPORT Thread
#102
#103
So no love for the automatic yet, huh? Hopefully it won't be too long before that issue gets cleared up. I'd also be interested to see how Alta adapts to all of the modifications from different manufacturers. Some people don't have any Alta products on their car. Hopefully if the tune has a problem playing well with one or more mods, they'll be able to fix it.
#104
My dyno was done at ALTA but that should be irrelevant.
As more people get their hands on the AP, more of you should start seeing that the tool is well worth the price for all it can do and the tune isn't too shabby either
Last edited by SimpsonGI; 08-20-2010 at 09:35 AM.
#106
#107
couple Qs...
1. can AP be sold to someone when I no longer own a Mini?...ie. trading in
2. can this tune NOT include the throttle booster?...I did not like sprint booster at all...didn't like unnatural feel of the throttle and too jumpy...hard to keep the rev at 1200-1500 and I do want the Sport button on.
1. can AP be sold to someone when I no longer own a Mini?...ie. trading in
2. can this tune NOT include the throttle booster?...I did not like sprint booster at all...didn't like unnatural feel of the throttle and too jumpy...hard to keep the rev at 1200-1500 and I do want the Sport button on.
#108
I am also in a similar situation as the guy who asked for this dyno. But I got a 2009 R56 Cooper S with the JCW Engine Tuning Kit (Stage 1) with no other modifications besides a MINI Mania Drop-in Filter. I would really like to see how the ALTA Tune compares to the JCW Engine Tuning Kit (Stage 1). But in this dyno, it seems to be comparing a stock JCW Factory car with stock tune vs with ALTA tune. It doesn't seem to answer the question from the other guy. I would appreciate if you can show us exactly what we wanna see. I am seriously considering getting this soon. Thanks!
#109
akng, a factory jcw mini already comes flashed with its own tune. generally, a stock 09 factory jcw mini should be giving out around 205-210 horsepower, and around 207 torque (when in sport mode/overboost). So if im not mistaken, this dyno graph seems to be showing a stock 09 jcw with its regular tune compared to an 09 jcw with the ALTA flash, as your asking for.
#111
akng, a factory jcw mini already comes flashed with its own tune. generally, a stock 09 factory jcw mini should be giving out around 205-210 horsepower, and around 207 torque (when in sport mode/overboost). So if im not mistaken, this dyno graph seems to be showing a stock 09 jcw with its regular tune compared to an 09 jcw with the ALTA flash, as your asking for.
#112
#113
#114
I got a chance to do a 0-70 run. It's obviously stronger than the other tune I had. I also hit 22psi on my boost gauge in third.
The throttle is not too sensitive at all with the alta tune. I'll probably ask jeff to make it a little more sensitive. My other tune had a much more sensitive throttle.
The throttle is not too sensitive at all with the alta tune. I'll probably ask jeff to make it a little more sensitive. My other tune had a much more sensitive throttle.
#115
couple Qs...
1. can AP be sold to someone when I no longer own a Mini?...ie. trading in
2. can this tune NOT include the throttle booster?...I did not like sprint booster at all...didn't like unnatural feel of the throttle and too jumpy...hard to keep the rev at 1200-1500 and I do want the Sport button on.
1. can AP be sold to someone when I no longer own a Mini?...ie. trading in
2. can this tune NOT include the throttle booster?...I did not like sprint booster at all...didn't like unnatural feel of the throttle and too jumpy...hard to keep the rev at 1200-1500 and I do want the Sport button on.
2.Glad you said that! We are shipping map with the stock throttle settings and we have a more linear natural feeling throttle map that we can send out. This linear throttle mapping is perfect in my opinion, but we were hesitant to put it on all AccessPORTs because it feels less responsive. But after you drive on it for a day, you will love it! We don't want to integrate this into the maps quite yet, as we would like to get more opinions from customers about what they like.
I am also in a similar situation as the guy who asked for this dyno. But I got a 2009 R56 Cooper S with the JCW Engine Tuning Kit (Stage 1) with no other modifications besides a MINI Mania Drop-in Filter. I would really like to see how the ALTA Tune compares to the JCW Engine Tuning Kit (Stage 1). But in this dyno, it seems to be comparing a stock JCW Factory car with stock tune vs with ALTA tune. It doesn't seem to answer the question from the other guy. I would appreciate if you can show us exactly what we wanna see. I am seriously considering getting this soon. Thanks!
I got a chance to do a 0-70 run. It's obviously stronger than the other tune I had. I also hit 22psi on my boost gauge in third.
The throttle is not too sensitive at all with the alta tune. I'll probably ask jeff to make it a little more sensitive. My other tune had a much more sensitive throttle.
The throttle is not too sensitive at all with the alta tune. I'll probably ask jeff to make it a little more sensitive. My other tune had a much more sensitive throttle.
#116
Anyhow, I will just keep checking the ALTA website in the future and hope I will see a dyno soon in the near future then!
#117
Countryboyshane,
I've been testing the AP for four weeks now. I haven't taken it anywhere else to put it on a dyno as I haven't felt the need to do so. I'd be happy to share my testing experience with you. Send me a PM or email. I have an automatic and the tune isn't finalized yet but it is close.
Gary
I've been testing the AP for four weeks now. I haven't taken it anywhere else to put it on a dyno as I haven't felt the need to do so. I'd be happy to share my testing experience with you. Send me a PM or email. I have an automatic and the tune isn't finalized yet but it is close.
Gary
#120
A DI engine runs the injectors in several different modes, even dispensing fuel at multiple times during a combustion cycle. The two different modes the injectors run in are 1) Stratified charge mode - this is where the injector injects fuel during the compression stroke right before the plug fires. This is done during low engine load to run leaner fuel mixtures. The fuel gets injected so late that there is basically no time for the cylinder to detonate, because as soon as the fuel is delivered the plug fires. 2) The second mode is called Homogenous. During this mode, fuel is beginning to get injected during the intake stroke. Depending on the cam overlap and probably several things to which I am completely ignorant of, you would have a maximum amount of time available of only a traditional 50% duty cycle in which you can even inject fuel. The other 50% of the time is consumed by the power and exhaust stroke.
The extremely short duration of time that you have to deliver fuel in a DI engine is why you see such high fuel pressures. The R56's for example run fuel pressures well up into 1700psi. Compare this to a traditional fuel injection system pressure of 30-60psi.
That being said, I think the point of the question is... how close to maximum capacity are we on the stock R56 injectors. I would love to know the answer to that.
#121
#122
Why should he feel obligated? I think he's doing a great job sharing with this forum his opinion and experiences about a brand new product.
Last edited by jeremyjcw; 08-20-2010 at 04:05 PM.
#123
You can not look at injector duty cycle with a Direct Injection engine the same way that you can with say an R53. With an R53 you could theoretically open the injector up 100% of the time (in reality injectors need to be kept to 80% or less), then once the inlet valve opens the cylinder would ingest the total volume of fuel dispensed.
A DI engine runs the injectors in several different modes, even dispensing fuel at multiple times during a combustion cycle. The two different modes the injectors run in are 1) Stratified charge mode - this is where the injector injects fuel during the compression stroke right before the plug fires. This is done during low engine load to run leaner fuel mixtures. The fuel gets injected so late that there is basically no time for the cylinder to detonate, because as soon as the fuel is delivered the plug fires. 2) The second mode is called Homogenous. During this mode, fuel is beginning to get injected during the intake stroke. Depending on the cam overlap and probably several things to which I am completely ignorant of, you would have a maximum amount of time available of only a traditional 50% duty cycle in which you can even inject fuel. The other 50% of the time is consumed by the power and exhaust stroke.
The extremely short duration of time that you have to deliver fuel in a DI engine is why you see such high fuel pressures. The R56's for example run fuel pressures well up into 1700psi. Compare this to a traditional fuel injection system pressure of 30-60psi.
That being said, I think the point of the question is... how close to maximum capacity are we on the stock R56 injectors. I would love to know the answer to that.
A DI engine runs the injectors in several different modes, even dispensing fuel at multiple times during a combustion cycle. The two different modes the injectors run in are 1) Stratified charge mode - this is where the injector injects fuel during the compression stroke right before the plug fires. This is done during low engine load to run leaner fuel mixtures. The fuel gets injected so late that there is basically no time for the cylinder to detonate, because as soon as the fuel is delivered the plug fires. 2) The second mode is called Homogenous. During this mode, fuel is beginning to get injected during the intake stroke. Depending on the cam overlap and probably several things to which I am completely ignorant of, you would have a maximum amount of time available of only a traditional 50% duty cycle in which you can even inject fuel. The other 50% of the time is consumed by the power and exhaust stroke.
The extremely short duration of time that you have to deliver fuel in a DI engine is why you see such high fuel pressures. The R56's for example run fuel pressures well up into 1700psi. Compare this to a traditional fuel injection system pressure of 30-60psi.
That being said, I think the point of the question is... how close to maximum capacity are we on the stock R56 injectors. I would love to know the answer to that.
Last edited by countryboyshane; 08-20-2010 at 04:08 PM.
#125
Thanks! I was kind of thinking the same thing. I can't afford to take it to a dyno shop at the moment anyway so I didn't bring that up in my initial response. If people don't trust the dyno from ALTA, well, they will just have to wait for others to post their dyno charts.