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As nothing was resolved the last two times this question was brought up due to outside distractions I am hopefully that the third time is the charm. First off I would like to thank Motor On for closing the last thread as it had gotten completely off the topic . With over 3400 views it is obviously a topic that is of great interest to the NAM family and hopefully it can stay on track this time. This is just about the issue of two completely different stories about the same subject, the failure of the RMW header to provide check engine light free performance . Over a week has gone by and still no one has come forth with a story of a successful resolution to the issue which has now gone on for several months .
The only thing that the last thread really accomplished was bringing up more questions . As Jan was aware of the thread from the start , 9 min to be exact , but decided for whatever reason not to comment personally Longboard took it upon himself to enter the fray. Longboard made two claims that if proved would go along way to shedding some light on the situation if he would only provide the briefest of details .
Longboard said this :
Yep, you sold it the way it came. In fact you didn't even bother to tell the guy it had code issues. How screwed up is that . But some screwing a fellow NAM member is OK to you for some reason
Don't worry as Jan talked to the guy and got it worked out.
Bryan
Now he was asked several times as to how this was accomplished but refused to answer. It would really to be good to hear how one of these defective units was repaired and how it was working out . By avoiding the question it raises much more doubt than if he had never said a thing . Not trying to pry just trying to see if there is some light at the end of the tunnel. He also claimed that 14 had been repaired but apparently none of them were NAM members as they have never posted with a success story about a replaced cat . I would just like to know that the cat replacement " fix "was working and that someone actually had it done and the problem is truly solved. To this day there is no proof at all that this has been accomplished.
The second claim was this :
I run a Magnaflow cat back and killed two resonator and they wouldn't warranty either one . They are about a 1/8th mile from my house. I even know an employee (middle management) and couldn't get it taken care of.
I know for a fact that big Mag told Jan to go pound sand. What they tell a customer on the customer service line is obviously a different story.
Longboard was asked several times for the names of those he spoke with at Magnaflow that denied his and if possible Jan's claims . I provided my contact info which I will show again in the repost below and it would seem only prudent for him to do the same but he has been rather reluctant to do so? This only leads me and others to believe that perhaps the story is just that , a story .
As the main thrust of the previous two threads remains un answered I am posting it once again to bring the new comers up to date. This time around can we please keep this on topic ? This thread is about two companies and two companies only, RMW and Magnaflow . All other posts should be ignored . I hope Motor On keeps a vigilant eye on this thread and I will me PMing him if things change .
Arty
Previous unresolved post :
RMW vs Magnaflow
As you may have read in the RMW shorty code p0036 several of us were having a continuing problem of codes being thrown when using the RMW header. As I still have issues and my emails , phone calls and Pm's to Jan have gone unanswered I have been forced to once again try to get some answers to my dilemma via the forum. Based on what was said by Jan the guilty party is that Magnaflow sold him a bad batch of catalytic converters. It could happen , no one is perfect . The part that I didn't understand was when Jan made this statement .
Gallery Every header out there that has sold as many headers as we have, has had some headers that have thrown codes. So Miltek, Janspeed and every other major brand never did testing? Come on ezput....... Most of the ones throwing codes were out of the last 2 batches of cats from Magnaflow. I called Magnaflow and spoke to their engineers after the batch that started throwing codes, they said they were fine and nothing was changed. So they said it must have been bad cats. (yes, due diligence was done immediately when the problem arose) There was about a 50% failure rate of last 2 batches. Magnaflow is not standing behind the product be we are fixing them on our own dime. I'm sorry you don't want to take the options I gave you, it's better than me telling you to take it up with Magnaflow
Now what I found strange that a company the size of Magnaflow with their reputation for standing behind there product would leave someone like RMW hanging in this manner . After quite a period of time I decided to call Magnaflow and see what might be done about this situation. Upon talking to Derek Acosta via the tech line 1-800-824-8664 I was given two surprises, well only one was a real surprise actually. The first is that Magnaflow was aware of the thread on NAM . The second " surprise " was that no one at Magnaflow had talked to Jan personally and declared that they would not stand behind their products. He also gave me the name of the Director of Engineering , Richard Waitif ext. 1174 and said that I could double check with him but he , Derek , was sure that it was not Magnaflow's policy to not stand behind something they made. What I found most disturbing was that no one at Magnaflow has any knowledge of a " bad batch " much less a " 50% failure rate of last 2 batches ".So bearing this in mind what am I and the others stuck in this similar situation to believe and more importantly what if any resolution will be forth coming ? As I mentioned earlier Magnaflow was aware of the previous thread and will be watching this new one as well. They welcome any calls to the above mentioned tech line if anyone needs further clarification .
For those of you that are just having the code issues popping up you can get a lot of the history of this problem here : Arty
With all the varied topics you posted above it hard for me to determine what the topic is.....
Simply stated, what's your goal. What topic would you like people to stay on? Are you trying to find a fix for the issue OR prove someone is lying. What is your goal?
Question.... Didn't Jaytech state that in his opinion the cats aren't the problem with the Mynes headers or the RMW ones? Wasn't it stated that the problem is the increased flow through the cats and that the problem could be resolved with some software changes?
Jesus.... don't you have a family? Its nice outside ez, go check it out. Get some sun, have a koolaid.
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Yes to both . I would love to resolve the issue which entails getting to the bottom of the main topic which is are the Magnaflow cats bad and causing the problem and if so what is really being done about that. Jan was clear that it was the " batch of bad cats " that was the culprit. What other companies theorize is not relevant to this thread. He said they were bad, he said they would not stand behind them . The people I quoted and gave the contact info to say different. Has anyone received a " good " replacement cat from RMW and has it cleared up the problem? After all this time I would think that someone out there would by now . As for getting out more , you have six times the posts as I do and average .86 to my .08 posts per day.
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I am curious about codes being thrown buy headers (seems each brand has it's issues) but I see your post more as a bashing to Longboard and RMW. which I am neither friend or foe of. I am wondering what exactly are you looking to gain by this thread? Also out of curiosity do you have one of these products? and are trying to fix the problem? If not, why so much effort into "getting to the bottom"?
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If it dosen't come when called I don't see a reason to name it!
Couldn't you have just gotten a cat by now on your own, taken it into a muffler shop, and had it changed out. Seems like it would have been a lot quicker and less of a hassle. You could have even billed RMW for the repair and you would probably have had a working car by now.
I hope this thread gets closed down too. Good to see that more than one person has no frickin idea what you are trying to accomplish here. This topic has been discussed ad nauseam
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Couldn't you have just gotten a cat by now on your own, taken it into a muffler shop, and had it changed out. Seems like it would have been a lot quicker and less of a hassle. You could have even billed RMW for the repair and you would probably have had a working car by now.
That is one solution but is that what a paying RMW customer is expected to do ? And as he has not responded to any of my communications , hence the need for yet another thread, what are the odds of him responding to and paying a bill ?
I am curious about codes being thrown buy headers (seems each brand has it's issues) but I see your post more as a bashing to Longboard and RMW. which I am neither friend or foe of. I am wondering what exactly are you looking to gain by this thread? Also out of curiosity do you have one of these products? and are trying to fix the problem? If not, why so much effort into "getting to the bottom"?
Yes I do have a RMW header which I installed in Feb. It immediately began to throw codes and I have been trying to get a suitable solution to the issue ever since then . If you want to spend the time you can get the entire history of the issue here.
I hope this thread gets closed down too. Good to see that more than one person has no frickin idea what you are trying to accomplish here. This topic has been discussed ad nauseam
That is one solution but is that what a paying RMW customer is expected to do ? And as he has not responded to any of my communications , hence the need for yet another thread, what are the odds of him responding to and paying a bill ?
It is just a way to have a working car without cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Y'all know you don't have to read every thread right? And that you have ignore lists you can use?
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If Jan wants to respond to this he can, though he usually doesn't; I'd suggest repeating attempts to contact him directly. But be advised, there is a series of tune days so it may be more difficult for a few weeks. There's no need for any of this other chatter. If you're not part of the solution, you're generally part of the problem.
And are these kinds of codes what O2 simulators are for?
I believe P.T. Barnum once said, "You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." Like any reputable business would do, I feel that RMW made a few honest mistakes and tried to resolve the issues to the best of their abilities.
From a neutral unbiased standpoint, I see many similarities between RMW and P.T. Barnum...
From Wikipedia: Phineas Taylor Barnum (July 5, 1810 – April 7, 1891) was an American showman, businessman, and entertainer, remembered for promoting celebrated hoaxes and for founding the circus that became the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus. His successes may have made him the first "show business" millionaire. Although Barnum was also an author, publisher, philanthropist, and sometime politician, he said of himself, "I am a showman by profession...and all the gilding shall make nothing else of me," and his personal aims were "to put money in his own coffers."
However, P.T. Barnum is more famously known for saying "There's a sucker born every minute."
For the benefit to mankind, I'm interested and look forward to seeing where this thread goes, and if anything gets resolved.
Yes I do have a RMW header which I installed in Feb. It immediately began to throw codes and I have been trying to get a suitable solution to the issue ever since then . If you want to spend the time you can get the entire history of the issue here.
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if you had one or were interested in getting one and was concerned about the codes.
I myself, am interested for 2 reasons.
First, I may purchase a header eventually from a vendor that has a prov-en track record of a header that does not throw codes.
And Second,
I have heard a lot of RMW having a reputation to not responding when someone asks a question that he does not agree with. So I guess I am checking on his integrity and honesty as a vendor. nothing less, nothing more. if I feel that he is straight up, and makes a code free product then i would consider it. if not, I move on to the next one.
I don't take the testimonies from his "regulars" on here to serious. They seem like they would take a bullet for him. (funny to say the least) I listen to the regular guy that buys one or two items from a vendor, and buys from different vendors. They seem more non-biased and honest.
So I will now sit back relax and observe.
Oh almost forgot! now i'm ready
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If it dosen't come when called I don't see a reason to name it!
I hope this thread gets closed down too. Good to see that more than one person has no frickin idea what you are trying to accomplish here. This topic has been discussed ad nauseam
If the thread stays on topic there won't be a reason to close it down. I agree with you there has been a lot of discussion but none by the one person that can at least clear the air. Most of the responses are trying to paint the picture that I am the guilty party here when I am the one with the defective parts. It is also very noticeable that those posters all seem to have something similar in their Sig's, RMW. I would love to hear from one RMW poster that actually had received a new cat from Jan and how it was working for them. Does that person exist? Its not looking like they do. Why can't Jan answer any of the questions which have been asked repeatedly for weeks now? He posts here daily, just not in the threads that he is hiding from. To get back on track here are those questions. Who at Magnaflow told you there was a problem with not one but two runs of cats and who told you they would not stand behind their product?
Alright dude this is getting old!
Instead of wanting your issue resolved now it just seems you have agenda, honestly dude enough already!!
"Dude", ... he has an agenda, and that's to get this resolved.
Why don't you send me $1000 and I will ship you a product that does not work as you were told it would, and then be told by me that we will take care of it some day, but in the mean time just take it a shop and pay them to make it work right. So what if you paid someone to install this part, so what if you have to pay someone to remove it and fix it and replace it again on your dime. So what if you can't drive your Mini for weeks, maybe months.
So, your out over $1000 and I refuse to do make it right ON "MY" DIME, not yours.
Step back and put yourself in EZ's place and see if it wouldn't keep you up at night. These days $1000 is a whole lot of needed money.
. But some screwing a fellow NAM member is OK to you for some reason 
. They are about a 1/8th mile from my house. I even know an employee (middle management) and couldn't get it taken care of.
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