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I have really tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you really are showing what kind of a person you are. Stop jacking every thread Jan decides to post in. You call "him" argumentative . You claim he never post's numbers . What about you ever showing any form of stats from your mods and projects you constantly tell people about. If your stuff works I will be the first to congratulate you.
It's like you have a crush on the guy . He refused to sale you things and now you have a major hard on for the guy. Get over it and move on please!!!!
Longboard
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
#1 If any vendor shows any prof Its always a bit biased.
#2 I live 30 minutes from Laguna Seca so let me know
#3 you should be very worried !
And last you really should try to be more professional as a vendor. Your prospective future customers are going to how argumentative you are.
I have nothing to sell or prove
And you should really start to practice the NAM guidelines as a vendor.
So why not send the guys your parts and let them do a test. You keep dancing around that? "I wonder why? "
..................inlet-outlet, boost ...........outlet-ambient, no boost
M7 .................110 ....................................20-25
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In the spirit of a meta analysis (to acknowledge the variance inherent in sampling), I've often seen 140F across the DFICv1 under boost and often seen 10F approaches under no boost. I believe PARTSMAN would corroborate these observations.
My point being that the Intense data represent a very small sample. Interesting--very. Statistically significant--no (unless you like huge confidence intervals).
Let me reiterate: the IC is NOT the extensive margin on a MCS.
Here are the pictures of the Alta fitment I promised. You can see how close it actually sits to the hood scoop. Its my opinion that there is insufficient air flow with the stock scoop, at least from my observations. The Alta was the only one that had a flow issue like this, seemed like most of the air would channel through the first and possibly second set of fins
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I have really tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you really are showing what kind of a person you are. Stop jacking every thread Jan decides to post in. You call "him" argumentative . You claim he never post's numbers . What about you ever showing any form of stats from your mods and projects you constantly tell people about. If your stuff works I will be the first to congratulate you.
It's like you have a crush on the guy . He refused to sale you things and now you have a major hard on for the guy. Get over it and move on please!!!!
Longboard
I posted a reply on this thread before he came in with yet another ad? If you go back and read most Every thread I post on he comes in with an ad? Or dodges direct questions. That’s fine. We know the new NAM guidelines. To say that I am argumentative is being more one sided, a better definition would be defensiveness in him constantly calling me out when in reality all I ever ask is questions. But then there are the NAM guidelines again.
My finished projects all work for me. I do not have to post test results or anything else unless I suppose I was going to offer them to sell. I am not. He is a Vendor and should act like every other vendor on NAM. The NAM guidelines again.
I do not know of JAN @RMW EVER refusing to sell me parts by the way. There is nothing that RMW has that would improve anything I have.. Who have you been talking to?
Try not to believe everything you hear. I try not to.
Pertaining to this post the question was asked by another NAM member about sampling for testing RMW parts by these guys. I think I for one would like to see that test done. These guys did a great job.
Perhaps a thread should be stated on how NAM members feel about having non biased testing of vendors parts and posting REAL world results?
Yep, that's not going to work very well. Why didn't they ever make a scoop to pair with the IC? Maybe it was the whole M7 vs Alta thing.
LB
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Originally Posted by Intense
I didn't have a Alta V1 to test sorry.
Here are the pictures of the Alta fitment I promised. You can see how close it actually sits to the hood scoop. Its my opinion that there is insufficient air flow with the stock scoop, at least from my observations. The Alta was the only one that had a flow issue like this, seemed like most of the air would channel through the first and possibly second set of fins
This would have been a good one to have seen the results in comparison to the others. ALTA had the # 1 market on these sold for a few years before there newer versions and other I/C's became available on the market.
Yea, yea...we know you don't have a problem with heat, just rub it in why don't ya.
Is this the new one?
Ya, Bell did a really nice job. The tanks are smaller and better shaped. Funny thing is I think I had a leak on the old exit tank for a long time. The car wants to melt the tires off now and the boost builds much faster now then before telling me I had a small leak. My boost gauge go's to 20psi and it would just make that before. Now it slams into it telling me I have a little more then 20psi. Who knew .
In the spirit of a meta analysis (to acknowledge the variance inherent in sampling), I've often seen 140F across the DFICv1 under boost and often seen 10F approaches under no boost. I believe PARTSMAN would corroborate these observations.
Yes I would.
I see approaches of LESS than 10F daily...no boost...at highway speeds, even with ambient temps in the mid to upper 80s. I also have mods for airflow...the IMD and the hood vents have a lot to do with this.
I haven't monitored my "hard" boost readings lately, but I know my approaches aren't that bad at 15psi. They will be even better soon...when my intercooler goes in front of the radiator...where it should be.
Ya, Bell did a really nice job. The tanks are smaller and better shaped. Funny thing is I think I had a leak on the old exit tank for a long time. The car wants to melt the tires off now and the boost builds much faster now then before telling me I had a small leak. My boost gauge go's to 20psi and it would just make that before. Now it slams into it telling me I have a little more then 20psi. Who knew .
Bryan
I'll say they did a nice job...the tanks are MUCH better shaped. Just kidding, man.
I wish I had your dilemma of only making 19.5psi...
I can't believe that the Alta horizontal flow IC uses such a poor scoop. If that's stock or similar then you can achieve a 4x frontal area increase with only moderate body work... Of course, you have to make your own scoop.
BTW, while we're talking scoops, I notice that the PU website mentions that their "super PU" scoop increases the volume of air to the IC over OEM by 1.3x. The M7 Ram is 2x for those who want to know.
I think Alta provides instructions with their flow-thru to cut/trim the stock scoop.
Alta actually suggests that people cut their hood scoops for this intercooler to work properly?
I didn't hear that from Alta when I talked to them about buying one last year before I bought my M7. I haven't seen any mention of that from people that sell these things in the marketplace either.... I imagine thats not a huge selling point for this IC
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RMW Head - RMW Shorty Header - RMW Cam - RMW Quiet Catback - 440 injectors - Alta 17% - Alta 22mm Rear Sway - M7 V2 DFIC & Hood Scoop - M7 Coilovers - M7 AE Strut Bar - Voltage CAI - BRISK Racing Plugs - GP LSD - Eibach Control Arms - Custom Graphics - Orciari Cowl Scoops
Alta actually suggests that people cut their hood scoops for this intercooler to work properly?
I didn't hear that from Alta when I talked to them about buying one last year before I bought my M7. I haven't seen any mention of that from people that sell these things in the marketplace either.... I imagine thats not a huge selling point for this IC
If you check the instructions PDF for the flow-thru(Top Mount Intercooler V.2) on Alta's site it says...
"Taking the time to trim hood scoop will make the install look much more professional."
...but no additional pictures/instructions are given for the hood scoop modification.
If you check the instructions PDF for the flow-thru(Top Mount Intercooler V.2) on Alta's site it says...
"Taking the time to trim hood scoop will make the install look much more professional."
...but no additional pictures/instructions are given for the hood scoop modification.
Ya, just looked at their site and the instructions.
Trimming it so it looks more "professional" doesn't say enough I think. Professional should be replaced with "functional".
Another interesting thing about the Alta intercoolers I found. They have you grind off the mount points on your Manifold. I always hated that I felt like I had to make permanent modifications to the car for their parts to fit. I felt this way when I installed their V1 top mount.
Seeing instructions saying that you should grind three of the manifold mount points down and "trim" the hood scoop... I dunno. I Like parts that bolt on without making permanent changes to the car. I like having the option to use others or stock parts again if I want to.
Just a personal preference, others might not mind it like I do, but people should be aware of these things.
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RMW Head - RMW Shorty Header - RMW Cam - RMW Quiet Catback - 440 injectors - Alta 17% - Alta 22mm Rear Sway - M7 V2 DFIC & Hood Scoop - M7 Coilovers - M7 AE Strut Bar - Voltage CAI - BRISK Racing Plugs - GP LSD - Eibach Control Arms - Custom Graphics - Orciari Cowl Scoops
Am I looking at heat per mph per ft? Sorry, I'm not understanding what I'm looking at very well here
Check out the numbers in seconds under the 330, 660, 1000 and 1320 foot columns, the last being 1/4 mile. See how consistent they are? That's a quality driver Now look at the top half vs. the bottom half. The times on the bottom half are lower than those on the upper half, with the bottom showing a .2 second increase in average time to 1320'...see the numbers in blue. Note also the speeds in MPH. The bottom half shows a 2.5 mph increase . Clearly the GRS shows significant gains for whp...something nearly impossible to measure accurately on the dyno.
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I like mods, carbon fiber and hot chicks in calendars...
cup holders...not so much...
"Save for a head and a tune" - Dr. O
Yeh...I'm thinking some serious Dremel work. Or a sawzall...
What this suggests to me is that I need to work on my "Bahama scoop" project...
I think a shortfall on the part of Alta is not providing a modified scoop like M7. Here I think M7 thought it out more. It would have been interesting to see how the Alta performed using the M7 scoop. Intense get back out there .
For those that do not know what a Bahama Scoop is here is a pic.
This is a Forge IC that has a) been lifted in the back to allow better air exit and b) as you can see an internal scoop. The scoop tapers towards the back - hopefully "pressurizing" sooner as well as smoother flow thru.
This is an old pic, for I have since fully welded everything up and added a water mister (not a sprayer). It puts out a very fine spray and the intention was to turn it on for auto-X events.
As you can see its made of aluminum so in one sense it should pull heat from the IC itself but on the other it should heat soak as well so I'll leave it to the experts if a different material should be used. Its feed by a M7 DFIC scoop and all hood materials had to be removed.
After 4 different IC's, I've concluded that a) the stocker is a fine piece (i.e. divert yr $ elsewhere) and b) maximize your airflow (i.e. larger scoop and good seals) to get the most out of the IC.
If Intense decides to do more testing, I would gladly send this unit out to him. There is a noticeable intake horn temp difference. Noticeable = the old hand test.
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