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Old 08-16-2008, 09:51 AM
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no need for trimming on ours
....you are the crack dealer

In all seriousness, I would love to know how well your WtoA would work for a street car with traffic, heatsoak and normal driving. I've seen your numbers of what, 107 constant degrees? Are those numbers the same for a street car with my mods?
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Old 08-16-2008, 12:12 PM
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*Edit* for spelling again? OR something you want to say and then have to change it? Why can't you just leave up what you post?
Longboard caught it before I could edited it.Read his response to see what I originally said and look at the time of edit. I got a PM from Nat the Mod and he said that other's would get the same notice. I guess you didn't? So I went back and edited the post and thought I would make it a little friendlier.

Funny but why are you so worried. Send the units to these guys to do an independent non-biased test.

There is your challenge to shut me up on you comment about what you say how great some of your parts are.

If I am am wrong I will opening apologize to you on the thread!


By the way stop with the edit comments its getting old and it really does not apply to anything on the threads that you and I post on.
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Old 08-16-2008, 12:45 PM
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so whats the verdict, i wanna upgrade my intercooler because i feel like its next in line.. should i wait for the new GRS or go with the M7..?
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Old 08-16-2008, 12:55 PM
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Fantastic work !! I made a little summary table, just using round numbers for the delta Ts (inlet-outlet) under boost, and for (outlet-ambient) under no boost. The former is already given for each run, and I eyeballed the charts to get the latter.

..................inlet-outlet, boost ...........outlet-ambient, no boost
M7 .................110 ....................................20-25
Alta ................85 .....................................25-35
GRS ...............140 ....................................10-15
Forge .............120 ....................................10-35
Stock .............130 ....................................5-10

I guess the low mass of the stock IC really helps it cool down fast. Only the GRS gave a larger delta under boost. Pressure is the other part of the equation, though. I would think that better cooling, all else being equal, would lead to lower pressures.
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Old 08-16-2008, 01:06 PM
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looks good, but what intercooler does that mean we should all get?
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Longboard caught it before I could edited it.Read his response to see what I originally said and look at the time of edit. I got a PM from Nat the Mod and he said that other's would get the same notice. I guess you didn't? So I went back and edited the post and thought I would make it a little friendlier.

Funny but why are you so worried. Send the units to these guys to do an independent non-biased test.

There is your challenge to shut me up on you comment about what you say how great some of your parts are.

If I am am wrong I will opening apologize to you on the thread!


By the way stop with the edit comments its getting old and it really does not apply to anything on the threads that you and I post on.
why wouldn't have been friendlier in the 1st place? I wasn't attacking you yet you took it upon yourself to make cheap sensless comments.


btw...who is worried? I am the one who has shown proof time and time again

you on the other hand have not shown 1 ounce of proof on any thing....EVER.......


the challenge still stands... show up to the track
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Two entities that have issues with each other are working to drag yet another thread down.

Both of them will either discuss the data shown in this thread or move along.

There is no need for the back and forth rhetoric from either party about products that were not included in the testing. I don't care who started it but I'm asking both to end it now.
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looks good, but what intercooler does that mean we should all get?
In reading the data it looks like both the GRS and Forge offer some gains over the OEM. The others do not.
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Old 08-16-2008, 01:40 PM
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In reading the data it looks like both the GRS and Forge offer some gains over the OEM. The others do not.
Gains meaning what?

Will you get better 0-60 over stock? No.

Will you get better MPG over stock? No

Will you go faster to the next stop light over stock? No

Will you have better passing power over stock? No

Point being is that most of the IC's start above $600. What are you really getting for the $600 on a street car other a cool looking piece for the engine bay.

Now for a track car?

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looks good, but what intercooler does that mean we should all get?
a GP with waterspray added = best thing short of a water to air.
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so whats the verdict, i wanna upgrade my intercooler because i feel like its next in line.. should i wait for the new GRS or go with the M7..?

You should do nothing - the stocker is GOOD. Direct funds elsewhere.
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Gains meaning what?

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Gains on thermal efficiency.
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Gains on thermal efficiency.
Which gets you what over stock on the street? Nothing

Spend you money wisely people.

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first, thank you for taking the time to do this. It's a great data reference for many people.

2nd, from what I can tell / have seen, for a street car, stock is more than adequate, and the money can be better spent elsewhere.

Of course buying one is totally subjective. This data just helps people know what to expect.
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a GP with waterspray added = best thing short of a water to air.

ding ding^^^^^

with a properly done water/meth kit which we are working on should do it
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I would love to test the GP, new version GRS and any other "updated" air to air versions out there.

I would also like to test the Laminova, Gintani, madness and GRS water to airs. Of course testing water to air set ups would be a major undertaking. If I remember correctly installation involves some bumper trimming to get the radiators to fit? Hell, who knows, might be worth the trimming, if I find they work waaaay better I would probably buy one!
No need to trim anything for the GRS W2A. Also fits both left right hand drive cars ;)
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Which gets you what over stock on the street? Nothing

Spend you money wisely people.

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You fail to see the thread. This is not about the track, W-to-A or RMW. Its about an individual running tests on several IC's and sharing his results with the community. The differences are slim and that is why many, including myself suggest staying stock and diverting the money elsewhere.
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You fail to see the thread. This is not about the track, W-to-A or RMW. Its about an individual running tests on several IC's and sharing his results with the community. The differences are slim and that is why many, including myself suggest staying stock and diverting the money elsewhere.

I fail to see how you got RMW out of Longboards post
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No need to trim anything for the GRS W2A. Also fits both left right hand drive cars ;)
Good to know, it must have been the Gintani or Madness I read that about?
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with a properly done water/meth kit which we are working on should do it
Jan what is water/meth kit?
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You fail to see the thread. This is not about the track, W-to-A or RMW. Its about an individual running tests on several IC's and sharing his results with the community. The differences are slim and that is why many, including myself suggest staying stock and diverting the money elsewhere.
. What did my post have to do with RMW Bart? This whole test was about how they perform on the street. I get it. That was what I posted? Will any of these out perform the stock on the street. No! I also said to spend your money wisely meaning get tune or cam or save for head. I also gave a big for the testers. They did a great job.

I have no problem with air to air. Mine flows double the air of a stock IC. But then again I don't have a problem with heat .

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You should do nothing - the stocker is GOOD. Direct funds elsewhere.
It is great that this testing was done and now proves what you and a lot of others said way back when the original question by Phantom was asked.
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any info on how the alta V1 compares?
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What the heck is that? That looks like it's some darth vader IC. Who makes it? Custom?
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