which product would be the slickest?

[umberto]

I was wondering: if slickness was the priority, what would be the best product? I use the Zaino system and this is very slick....would a carnuba buffed with a PC be even slicker? Would carnuba used as a topper on zaino be slicker than zaino alone (I know some people use a carnuba topper on a sealant for added depth but not clear if they do this for added slickness)?

[kenchan]

Prima SLICK.... ?

[MCS06]

Originally Posted by kenchan

Prima SLICK.... ?

[Detailers Paradise]

Originally Posted by umberto

I was wondering: if slickness was the priority, what would be the best product? I use the Zaino system and this is very slick....would a carnuba buffed with a PC be even slicker? Would carnuba used as a topper on zaino be slicker than zaino alone (I know some people use a carnuba topper on a sealant for added depth but not clear if they do this for added slickness)?

Due to the oils in all carnauba waxes, I would say that all carnaubas will be less slick than pretty much all synthetics, as a rule. The oils actually do a little of the opposite of slickness, hence the dust attraction with carnaubas vs. the dust repellency with many synthetics.

Either Zaino alone or something similar (like Epic) would be the slickest. And yes, as kenchan pointed out, topping any synthetic with Slick would create an even slicker surface.

So, if you're already using Zaino and like it anyway then I would continue to use it for slickness. Then, for additional slickness, top the Zaino with Prima Slick.

-Heather

[kenchan]

Originally Posted by Detailers Paradise

And yes, as kenchan pointed out, topping any synthetic with Slick would create an even slicker surface.

well, i do prefer Hydro than just any synthetic.

[umberto]

I am plannig in a short while to be putting in an order for Black Wow and also I was going to be ordering Hydro....Ok, so you can use Hydro or Slick over Zaino.....I am thinking that Hydro would be better and last longer than Slick but maybe Slick is a bit slicker....is this correct? Would you use Hydro for when you are washing the car and use Slick if you are not washing but just dusting off....can you use both or is that reduntant?

[Detailers Paradise]

Originally Posted by umberto

I am plannig in a short while to be putting in an order for Black Wow and also I was going to be ordering Hydro....
Ok, so you can use Hydro or Slick over Zaino.....
I am thinking that Hydro would be better and last longer than Slick but maybe Slick is a bit slicker....is this correct?
Would you use Hydro for when you are washing the car and use Slick if you are not washing but just dusting off....
can you use both or is that reduntant?

Yes, you can use either Hydro or Slick or both over Zaino.

Hydro lasts longer than Slick and Hydro has a stronger protective barrier than Slick. (Hydro on a dry surface lasts about 3 months and on a wet surface, as as wax-as-you-dry, about 1 month; Slick lasts a few weeks in most cases)

Hydro provides more glossy richness than Slick.

Slick provides a far superior slickness over Hydro. The name isn't just a marketing thing... it really does add more Slickness than anything we've tested it against (which includes alot of products!).

Also, Slick contains more lifters and cleaners and is therefore better at light cleaning (water spots/bird droppings) and light dusting than Hydro.

Some people use both- just in difference circumstances... an example of which would be in your question (Hydro when you wash and Slick when you're doing light dusting or just to add Slickness when you feel like it)

Although there is some redundancy between them, they both offer different things too. Some people prefer to stick to one or the other because of some of the redundancy yet others enjoy their differences and use both at different times.

Clear as mud or what?? In the end, it depends on what you want from them.

-Heather

[umberto]

thanks....I think I'll be adding Slick to my order....but alas, a couple more questions:

1) is Slick then similar to the Zaino products Z6 and Z8? have you done any comparisons?

2) if you are using Hydro on a freshly washed but dried car, do you let the Hydro dry and haze over....and if so, is there any benefit to removing it with a PC with a MF towel?

[lotsie]

Originally Posted by umberto

thanks....I think I'll be adding Slick to my order....but alas, a couple more questions:

1) is Slick then similar to the Zaino products Z6 and Z8? have you done any comparisons?

2) if you are using Hydro on a freshly washed but dried car, do you let the Hydro dry and haze over....and if so, is there any benefit to removing it with a PC with a MF towel?

I have only used Hydro as a QD a couple of times, but I have treated it like a regular QD, all hand work.

Mark

[Detailers Paradise]

Originally Posted by umberto

thanks....I think I'll be adding Slick to my order....but alas, a couple more questions:

1) is Slick then similar to the Zaino products Z6 and Z8? have you done any comparisons?

2) if you are using Hydro on a freshly washed but dried car, do you let the Hydro dry and haze over....and if so, is there any benefit to removing it with a PC with a MF towel?

1)
Ditto lotsie on your first question. Nick's played with both products on Zaino so I'm always speaking from his experience when I do... lotsie's experience sounds similar to what I remember Nick telling me.

2)
Hydro doesn't act like a wax in its dry application, despite it being a spray wax. In other words, it does not haze up. You don't want to leave it to dry. Spritz and wipe... spritz and wipe... just as if you're using a quick detail spray instead of a wax.

Although it's a tad heavier in consistency than a quick detail spray and thus requires maybe a wipe or two more than a QD, it does not need to be worked in or anything like that. Again, just pretend you're using a quick detail spray with a dry application of Hydro.

No, I wouldn't suggest removing it with a PC and an MF towel. Spritz and wipe with your MF towel by hand. It's not at all stubborn if you don't let it dry.

-Heather

[lotsie]

umberto, I have used both Slick and Hydro over Zaino, the full Zaino treatment. Slick is more like the Zaino Grand Finale QD, as apposed to the regular Zaino QD. Very slick, adds depth to the finish.

As both Heather and Ken have stated, Hydro is a different thing, adds some slickness, but is mostly a booster to your primary wax, or even on it's own, offers protection. I think of it as a booster to my main wax.

Mark

[kenchan]

hydro and slick are completely different products.

hydro does not have the lifting capabilities of slick, but has
polymers that adhere to the paint for a long time... long meaning
3+ weeks, not days. i dont use a base wax. just hydro.

slick has this teflon like finish which is super slick when sprayed
over fully cured hydro (after 24hrs). i guess you can use it as a LSP
as slick has a nice glossy finish, but i use it for QD'ing. the slickness lasts
a while, but washes away during a car wash.

[kenchan]

after 3 consecutive apps of Hydro once every week, i think it is as thick
and protective as any other polymers out there.

after the 3rd app, i'd hydro every other wash.

[mataku]

A bit late, but I just had my Epic experience lately. From my experience, there is nothing as slick as Zaino. I love to run my fingers over the paint after a Zaino application. I tried doing the same with Epic and while it was still very slick, Zaino has the upper hand.

Further, first rain experience with Epic as well. I notice that the beading isn't as great with Epic as it is with Zaino. While I do love Zaino, I just bought all this Prima stuff, but will consider going back once I finish it all up. I do love the ease of use of Prima though.

Hm.. I believe I left Hydro as my last application, should I use Grand finale as the final topper for best results? I don't have slick as I have quite a bit of Z6 and Grand finale left.

[lotsie]

My MINI is a patch work of Zaino and DP products, all in various stages of how long they have been on the car. I notice no difference in beading, nor slickness. But I guess it may be because I Hydro every wash.

Mark

[kenchan]

Originally Posted by lotsie

My MINI is a patch work of Zaino and DP products, all in various stages of how long they have been on the car. I notice no difference in beading, nor slickness. But I guess it may be because I Hydro every wash.

Mark

yah, zaino and epic/banana gas already probably washed away,
the consistent beading you're seeing is just Hydro.

[Ubetit]

Originally Posted by mataku

there is nothing as slick as Zaino.

Although it may not last as long as Zaino, Wolfgang takes the prize for slickness.

[Claymore]

How does Hydro do over a Klasse AIO base?

[Detailers Paradise]

Originally Posted by Claymore

How does Hydro do over a Klasse AIO base?

It will do quite lovely over AIO.

Hydro is quite friendly with lots of waxes/sealants/etc, including Klasse.

It will add a nice bit of glossy richness over the AIO.

-Heather