Does anyone use the PC to buff off Zaino ?

umberto · #1 03-21-2008, 06:51 PM

Does anyone use the PC to buff off Zaino? According to zaino, they say it is not necesary to buff off the dried Zaino Z2 with the PC as it wipes off by hand easily with a microfiber. I agree: very easy and the finish comes out nice and slick...but would using a PC be even better? I do not have a microfiber bonnet for the PC so I was thinking of simply keeping a microfiber cloth between the PC and the paint...anyone tried this technique when buffing off zaino?

thanks

R56 Ed · #2 03-21-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umberto

Does anyone use the PC to buff off Zaino? According to zaino, they say it is not necesary to buff off the dried Zaino Z2 with the PC as it wipes off by hand easily with a microfiber. I agree: very easy and the finish comes out nice and slick...but would using a PC be even better? I do not have a microfiber bonnet for the PC so I was thinking of simply keeping a microfiber cloth between the PC and the paint...anyone tried this technique when buffing off zaino?

thanks

As a long time user of Zaino, AND of machines, I'd advise against using a machine with any Zaino product. A couple of reasons come to mind. Machines generate heat. I don't know how that would affect the polymer chains in Zaino, but I can't imagine it would be of any benefit. Lots of benefit for carnuba and other waxes that might 'melt' into the paint, though. Another negative is that a machine might take off more of the layer of Zaino you just applied, and these layers are very thin to start with. And screwing up with a machine can turn a simple wax job into a very expensive repaint

And finally, it's just too easy to introduce swirls with a machine, no matter how careful we are... don't ask me how I know

lotsie · #3 03-21-2008, 07:58 PM

I have with a Micro fiber under a pad. Use no weight, barely machine weight, work areas quickly. Then finish off edges with a monster fluffy. I have had very nice results, a bit more "depth" than just working by hand.

Mark

umberto · #4 03-21-2008, 08:04 PM

does this make it slicker than if just wiped off by hand tho?

lotsie · #5 03-21-2008, 11:42 PM

To the touch, no not really, seems to have the same feel. I use the PC to do big areas, still lots of hand work. The machine just speeds things up a bit.

Mark

umberto · #6 03-22-2008, 04:35 AM

thanks......zaino, or I'm sure Epic too, leave the paint extremely slick...but I was just at the Honda dealer getting my wife's Civic serviced and they had a showroom model that was amazingly amazingly slick...does a car PC buffed with carnuba give a more slick feel than Epic, Zaino or other sealants?

kenchan · #7 03-22-2008, 07:26 AM

griot's SprayOn wax which is carnauba based gives super slickness over
polymers. but i would only put that on after the 24hr cure if you are
going to use over Epic/Hydro.

lotsie · #8 03-22-2008, 08:37 AM

The Banana Gas, which has some carnuba in it, that I put on over Zaino seems to be slicker then the areas with no BG.

Mark

kenchan · #9 03-22-2008, 10:21 AM

i need to try that BG when it gets warmer.

my fresh bottle sampler
is in my wax bin.

**OctaneGuy** · #10 03-22-2008, 05:22 PM

It would help to clarify what type of machine you are talking about. A PC set on speed 4 or 5 with a bonnet won't generate heat. I've used a PC with Zaino and the only issue is that using the PC to apply it wastes more product than applying by hand. For machine polishing you could just as well remove the swirls with Prima Epic and seal it with Zaino if you really wanted to, or just use Epic and stay within the system.

re: Swirls and expensive repaints
Not really understanding where you are going with this. Unless you're talking about a rotary buffer, these are myths you are speaking of. And a RB would be used to remove swirls, not apply or remove Zaino.

Sounds like you had a bad experience early on and have taken on the assumption that "machines" are bad when in fact, the random orbital is a very safe tool and won't cause any of these things you are afraid of.

Richard

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Originally Posted by hypnohealer

As a long time user of Zaino, AND of machines, I'd advise against using a machine with any Zaino product. A couple of reasons come to mind. Machines generate heat. I don't know how that would affect the polymer chains in Zaino, but I can't imagine it would be of any benefit. Lots of benefit for carnuba and other waxes that might 'melt' into the paint, though. Another negative is that a machine might take off more of the layer of Zaino you just applied, and these layers are very thin to start with. And screwing up with a machine can turn a simple wax job into a very expensive repaint

And finally, it's just too easy to introduce swirls with a machine, no matter how careful we are... don't ask me how I know

umberto · #11 03-22-2008, 05:30 PM

octane guy...so, would using the PC to remove the dried on zaino Z2 be better and more slick than the usual way I remove it which is simply by hand with the DP fluffy mf towel?.....is my idea putting a MF towel between the PC and the paint an Ok idea since I do not have a MF bonnet for my PC?

thanks

lotsie · #12 03-22-2008, 05:33 PM

Richard, I agree with you, no point applying Zaino with a machine. It goes on so thin if applied properly. I have used a machine with mirofiber under the pad to buff off. Work fast, no weight on the machine, works great.

Mark

**OctaneGuy** · #13 03-22-2008, 05:35 PM

Put a MF towel between a PC with a stiff pad and the paint is fine. It spins around a lot, and looks kinda crazy but it works. Just want to be careful on vertical surfaces so that the spinning towel now falling by gravity doesn't get tangled up in the spinning pad--not likely but still something to be aware of.

Personally though, I would just remove the Z2 by hand..same with Epic. They both wipe off very easily so, I see no need to use a machine. On my DVD, using a MF bonnet is a great way to remove wax from paint that scratches or mars easily, but in most cases I prefer removing by hand.

My preference for removing wax is actually the MF Starfish mitt. The Monster Fluffy is great, but I like the Starfish mitt first, then a clean Monster for final wiping.

Richard

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Originally Posted by umberto

octane guy...so, would using the PC to remove the dried on zaino Z2 be better and more slick than the usual way I remove it which is simply by hand with the DP fluffy mf towel?.....is my idea putting a MF towel between the PC and the paint an Ok idea since I do not have a MF bonnet for my PC?

thanks

lotsie · #14 03-22-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umberto

octane guy...so, would using the PC to remove the dried on zaino Z2 be better and more slick than the usual way I remove it which is simply by hand with the DP fluffy mf towel?.....is my idea putting a MF towel between the PC and the paint an Ok idea since I do not have a MF bonnet for my PC?

thanks

Seems we posted at the same time. I don't notice any real difference between the machine worked areas from the hand worked, just that the large areas get done quicker with the machine.

Mark

**OctaneGuy** · #15 03-22-2008, 05:39 PM

Haha, after a morning of Easter egg hunting with my son, then a ton of driving around Los Angeles and Orange County-I just got back home and on my laptop again...As for the question--I see no reason why using a machine to remove dried wax/sealant would make any difference over doing it by hand. Like Mark said, using a PC is faster but otherwise there is no impact of difference in how it's removed.

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Originally Posted by lotsie

Seems we posted at the same time. I don't notice any real difference between the machine worked areas from the hand worked, just that the large areas get done quicker with the machine.

Mark

umberto · #16 03-23-2008, 06:21 AM

Thanks...OK, so sealants like Epic/zaino remove by hand with monster fluffy...if I wanted to top off zaino with a carnuba and buff that off with the PC, would that be slicker than zaino alone and if so which brand of carnuba would be good and how long might the slickness last?

( I doubt I would do this, but curious, as zaino is very slick anyway but as I posted ealier, that car in the Honda showroom was amazingly slick.....)