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I really cannot comprehend how you equate the two...
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Originally Posted by CHKMINI
well...I have another design complaint, I smashed my fingers when I shut the door with my fingers in it...what a bad design
Wait till it's one of your loved ones, or it's one of your buddies (passenger not owner). If you're nice, when their pants are ruined by this and they've helped you load your car, you'll buy them a new pair. What smiley would be good for that one?
Wait till it's one of your loved ones, or it's one of your buddies (passenger not owner). If you're nice, when their pants are ruined by this and they've helped you load your car, you'll buy them a new pair. What smiley would be good for that one?
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Matt, my point is that with anything and any design the use of common sense should prevail. I work with manufacturing of transportation components as a career and witness designs by engineers that too don't use common sense, hence the users must. Lighten up.
Matt, my point is that with anything and any design the use of common sense should prevail. I work with manufacturing of transportation components as a career and witness designs by engineers that too don't use common sense, hence the users must. Lighten up.
manufacturer of anything have no responsibility for the safety of customer, and that's obviously wrong. This is why there are standard for many safety related items, and this is as it should be.
Yes, there are things that are inhearnetly unsafe. And there are things that are carelessley unsafe. This falls into the latter. In the Semi industry, this part would be labelled as a hot spot, even though only trained workers are allowed into production facilities. And even though if you touch something you shouldn't in a semi fab you can get in big big trouble (some tools create revenue at the rate of $6m a minute).
Lighten up? did you see the burns that are happening? Is it your position that all deserved this or are just stupid by not paying attention? Did you read the post where someones child was burned? There is an assumption in law that kids aren't expected to have the same standards for judgement as adults, yet there are lots of kids around minis and MINI knows that. I'd say that you're correct in pointing out that there are safety issues that aren't really significant, but in the case of this one, I guess we have to agree to disagree about this falling into that camp.
And FWIW, I did file a complaint on this one. If any of you do it, selecte BMW as the manufacturer the first time, then you get to select if it's a Mini or a BMW. It takes all of five minutes.
If enough do it, the NTSHA will do an investigation. If they think we're all just cluess stupid people, then the investigation will die. If they deem that there is a real safety issue here that requires action, it could be as simple as a reccomendation to do something different in the future, to a recall.
Sorry for being a bit less than my normal lighthearted self, but I'm sleep deprived due to some issues with my family (dad had surgury, but is OK and recovering). But my sense of humor isn't what's in question here, it's the fact that people are getting hurt. If one looks at the numbers, say 10 here posted about it. We represent about 10%-20% of Mini owners in the US. So that means about 50-100 in the us have had issue. The US production is about 20% of all Mini production, so that's 250-500 people burned by the exhaust pipe design and placement. That's worthy of note.
Ouch. second time. First time did not leave a mark. The people who dont understand this must not ever carrry anything in the back....especially with the seats down.
Ouch. second time. First time did not leave a mark. The people who dont understand this must not ever carrry anything in the back....especially with the seats down.
I've carried plenty, I've also burned myself, and know to avoid it!
I'm with most on this one, it's completely avoidable if you pay attention (I wasn't paying attention ). Is it avoidable by design? Sure, but the exhaust would look funny tucked under the bumper. Be careful around things you know are hot. If you do burn yourself, no biggy, a little burn cream and a bandaid and you're good as new. This isn't exactly a life threatening issue .
I have not grocery shopped with the MINI and have not load/unloaded from the back yet. I don't like the way VW cars look with the exhaust pipes pointing down under the bumper but I guess that is the safer way to go. I like my MINI the way it is. MINI didn't forget to put the warning clause in the owners manual also. We will all just have to be more careful.
Upon further consideration, I've determined that the MINI's exhaust pipe is designed so as to allow said MINI to "brand" it's owner. It's your MINI's way of telling the world, "s/he's mine!".
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Upon further consideration, I've determined that the MINI's exhaust pipe is designed so as to allow said MINI to "brand" it's owner. It's your MINI's way of telling the world, "s/he's mine!".
the Mini's are starting to mark thier territory by brand marks on either the left or right leg. (you choose)
I was loading my infant son over the back seat into his rear-facing carseat and my 4 y.o. daughter wanted to "help". Well, she got a near-perfect semicircle burn on her shin from the dang exhaust.
Yeah, I really felt like "Dad of the Year".
Reading all these posts does make me wonder how the fellow who designed that feature feels. I mean, maybe he feels badly. Or, maybe he thinks we're all just a bunch of rejects. At any rate, he owes my kid an icecream cone.
The first thing I told my kids when I brought the MINI home was 'The tail pipes are hot. Stay away from them'. I know it is just a matter of time before one of them gets burned by them.
Been burned. Warned my wife. Very likely to happen again. Not ready to sue or ask for a redesign, but knowing it's a possibility can help to mitigate the problem, right?
HAHAH I love the branding comment. But yes I've been burned 2 times. I was never burned on my 05 mcs so I guess my 07 is telling me she loves me or to slow the hell down. lol
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Seems with this many reports they should try to do something to minimize the burns. I don't use the boot much and haven't been burned.
Exhaust pipe burns happen to virtually every Cobra owner and are very painful. It's just too close to your shins for common sense to kick in. You forget about them, at least until you're burned once. I have to warn anyone close to the car when it's hot.
Never been burnt 4+ years by my r53 with either the stock or B&B exhaust.
There are only 3 things you need to remember
MC: exhaust is hot, it's on the right, don't stand to close.
MCS: exhaust is hot, it's in the center, don't stand to close.
maybe instead of engraving MINI, JCW, Borla, Miltek etc. manufacturers should engrave "Caution Hot"...duh
This one will burn ya.
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). Is it avoidable by design? Sure, but the exhaust would look funny tucked under the bumper. Be careful around things you know are hot. If you do burn yourself, no biggy, a little burn cream and a bandaid and you're good as new. This isn't exactly a life threatening issue 
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