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You do realize that an S with pulley, CAI, exhaust, header, cam, injectors, and tune will typically put down ~ 210-220whp and ~ 180-190tq and should cost less than 3k
I'll take that over the K20 any day, give me more torque.
And if thats not enough power, add a head and see 250+ whp ~ 200-210 tq. At this point you are still under $5k.
*Edit...sorry, how did I end up in the non S section...oops
I think you should also realize which engine is really better, the supercharged or the K20A.
250 whp on a M45 S, is just a myth. You keep on reading in here about M45 S that took even more than 250whp down, but you've never seen one around you. 250whp is sth like 300+ hp at the crank. Do you really think the supercharged engine is capable for such a number, with just bolt on things? (head included) I don't.
The K20A is a rev happy motor, and with that 5k, it will hit maybe more than 250 crank hp, it will rev like crazy, it will sound like a beast, and it will never break. (unlike the Mini engine) And the car will also lose some weight from the front.
I'd take the Honda engine any time over the Supercharged (If that was an option, which isn't )
uhhhh nick u might wanna pick up the current MC2...Kelli Viselli's R53 puts down 267whp on a stock bottom end...oh and u might want to take a peek at the S drivetrain section...RMW cars with the head and total set up are pushing 240-250+
the motor in the cooper is the same as the cooper S just no S/C...build the motor..it would still come out cheaper than doing a honda swap because as there is no kit to install one it will all have to be custom plus u would have to have a honda ECU be able to accept the mini because its not like dropping it in a classic mini...without the mini ecu u will prolly lose alot of your creature comforts
Thats why i brought this up i know someone thats bout to do a swap so their can be a kit,not sure what exact honda motor but from my understanding the honda motor has a simaular motor mount and yes the honda ecu would be used and you would still have a/c it might be a k20a its a motor that 200 sumthing stock and not to hard to pull 300 with bolt ons.
I think you should also realize which engine is really better, the supercharged or the K20A.
250 whp on a M45 S, is just a myth. You keep on reading in here about M45 S that took even more than 250whp down, but you've never seen one around you. 250whp is sth like 300+ hp at the crank. Do you really think the supercharged engine is capable for such a number, with just bolt on things? (head included) I don't.
The K20A is a rev happy motor, and with that 5k, it will hit maybe more than 250 crank hp, it will rev like crazy, it will sound like a beast, and it will never break. (unlike the Mini engine) And the car will also lose some weight from the front.
I'd take the Honda engine any time over the Supercharged (If that was an option, which isn't )
Considering I had a 2.5L (F20C) F25C in my S2000...I think I speak from a greater experience than you. The K20 is a better platform than the F20...but yes, I'd rather have the supercharged engine.
The Mini engine is made to fit and work in the car without serious modification. It will drive like stock, because it is. The amount of money poured into a swap like that vs. the amount put into an S. The S will be faster and more reliable. If you want to do a swap like that just to be different then fine. But for power and reliability? No.
Z-Cars in the UK have done a K20A swap into a MINI, and turbo'd it, took it to the strip and it got smoked buy the supercharged S's they said it had cost well over £10k to get it there and needed yet more work and money to develop it
Z-Cars in the UK have done a K20A swap into a MINI, and turbo'd it, took it to the strip and it got smoked buy the supercharged S's they said it had cost well over £10k to get it there and needed yet more work and money to develop it
do you have pics or videos i would like to see that
I think you should also realize which engine is really better, the supercharged or the K20A.
250 whp on a M45 S, is just a myth. You keep on reading in here about M45 S that took even more than 250whp down, but you've never seen one around you. 250whp is sth like 300+ hp at the crank. Do you really think the supercharged engine is capable for such a number, with just bolt on things? (head included) I don't.
The K20A is a rev happy motor, and with that 5k, it will hit maybe more than 250 crank hp, it will rev like crazy, it will sound like a beast, and it will never break. (unlike the Mini engine) And the car will also lose some weight from the front.
I'd take the Honda engine any time over the Supercharged (If that was an option, which isn't )
There are several 300+hp MINI S's i love our enginehouses.
vtec in a new MINI = no thanks. vtec in a classic austin mini = YES PLEASE !!!!!!! I love vtecs in old minis!
You do realize that an S with pulley, CAI, exhaust, header, cam, injectors, and tune will typically put down ~ 210-220whp and ~ 180-190tq and should cost less than 3k
I'll take that over the K20 any day, give me more torque.
And if thats not enough power, add a head and see 250+ whp ~ 200-210 tq. At this point you are still under $5k.
*Edit...sorry, how did I end up in the non S section...oops
This is a good point. That being said what are you looking for when doing the swap? power,reliabilty,looks,uniqueness? this can all be done not a prob if you have the funds for it. I do know that as for the honda/acura motors there very good motors even know i'm not a honda guy i have a friends that are into them pretty heavily one of them is running 10.40's at 134mph in the 1/4 with a 94 hatch with a B16/B18 hybrid on 29psi liberity 4spd trans and slicks there is alot of power to be made with honda for sure. But when you look into the long run can you make 800hp with a mini engine? As for honda's for power to $ the honda will win over longevity even when doing to swap i'm all for the swap love the looks of the mini and you can build crazy hp with a honda/acura motor but if its power your looking for look into the H22's there the best still yet
Z-Cars in the UK have done a K20A swap into a MINI, and turbo'd it, took it to the strip and it got smoked buy the supercharged S's they said it had cost well over £10k to get it there and needed yet more work and money to develop it
ive seen this somewhere. was it on speed on demand? or maybe youtube or something. or maybe in a magazine?
Z-Cars in the UK have done a K20A swap into a MINI, and turbo'd it, took it to the strip and it got smoked buy the supercharged S's they said it had cost well over £10k to get it there and needed yet more work and money to develop it
That's a beautiful engine setup, but those are some god awful Mexican wheels .
It would be nice if more US based Mini shops worked on a K20 engine swap for our cars. The K series has oogles and googles of proven aftermarket performance parts to choose from, you can go super or turbo, and many people have experience tuning them. To me, that route has always seemed a lot easier than developing a reliable 1.8L stroker, rotrex, twin-charge, etc from our existing engines.
I would love to have this. you would have cheap, safe, and reliable power. the mini engine starts going to poop after 100k. the honds engine doesnt. And with a K series you would have 200 NA hp.
One problem that I see is the car's electronics are so intertwined with other modules. Example, Engine RPM is communicated through CAN bus to the IKE/Tach. Ok, so you could have 2 tachs, but that is pretty ghetto. How bout replacing the original tach with another....not. The IKE is the gateway to aalot of other modules cannot be removed without so many other things stopping working.
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250 whp on a M45 S, is just a myth. You keep on reading in here about M45 S that took even more than 250whp down, but you've never seen one around you. 250whp is sth like 300+ hp at the crank. Do you really think the supercharged engine is capable for such a number, with just bolt on things? (head included) I don't.
Uhh, wow, I don't even know what to say. There are several Mini's with over 250whp and they've posted the dyno charts to prove. My JCW with only cam, header and tune is at 223 whp, I'm sure a BVH, bigger injectors and a new tune would net me at least 250 whp.
My engine/exhaust mods on my '05 MCS: CAI, 15%, Colder Plugs, Header, Exhaust, Cam, 380's, RMW Tune=229WHP/198TQ all on a stock head and I have the Dynapack dyno sheet
Uhh, wow, I don't even know what to say. There are several Mini's with over 250whp and they've posted the dyno charts to prove. My JCW with only cam, header and tune is at 223 whp, I'm sure a BVH, bigger injectors and a new tune would net me at least 250 whp.
keep fooling yourself
So from 210 crank hp (assuming that you have a JCW 210 kit), you went to 257hp at crank (calculating 15% drivetrain losses)? You gained 47hp from a cam, header and a remap, without even increasing the boost?
(If that was an option, which isn't 
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2006 CR/B MCS JCW, RMW (Newman) Cam and RMW Street Header, JCW Suspension, H&R 19mm rear anti-sway bar, IE fixed camber plates, Mason Engineering lower strut brace, Continental ExtremeContact DW Tires, Red interior, Chrome, HK, RMW Tune, 223 WHP / 200 WTQ
05 MCS BRG/W 229WHP-198TQ||OEM:Premium,Cold Weather,Front&Rear Fog Lights,Rally Lamps,Bonnet Stripes,R84's||Mods:M7 SRP's,50% Tint, Madness CAI & Cowl, Kumho Ecsta ASX 215/50/16, Madness 15%, NGK Iridium Plugs, Super 33+ Beltline Blackout, Reflector Tint, Madness Poly Engine Bushings, VIP Engine Stabilzer, Madness V2 Header & Cat-Back, Magnaflow Cat, LVS Headlight Rings & Front Grille Blackout, Rota Grids 16x7, RMW Cam, DDM IC Diverter, JCW 380's, RMW Tune||
